may seem to be famine..and pestilence,..want and woe,
sin,sickness,..and death,..
from which..assume..the new form..of ever more new phases
until the reality..of their former materialistic reality..assumes its true nothingness and..simply dis-appears.
These disturbances..will continue..*until the end of error,
when all discord..will be swallowed up..in spiritual Truth.
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 27 November 2010 2:38:27 PM
i extensivly edited maries text...submitted it to the church
and later found it in the rubbish bin..[but such is life]
there are those who see the meaning..*behind..the words
and those who see only the numbers before the words
all religious texts must be visualised
seeing if their envisdioning reveals good..[from god]
or not good...that not..'of'..god
lets edit another random text...by overlaying..'it'..over the totality of what mary and so many others have revealed to us..[each in their time]..for god has given us a progressive revelation
sent many messengers
but all must be veted via loves filter
in total..they reveal all the good truth mercy grace..of god
As this consummation draws nearer,..he who has
96-26 shaped his course..in accordance with divine Science..[love seeking healing of all error]..will endure to the end.
As material knowledge diminishes..and spiritual understanding
96-29 increases,..real objects will be apprehended mentally...instead of materially.
During this final conflict,..wicked minds will endeavor..to find means..*by which to accomplish..ever..more evil;
BUT..those who discern Christian..Science will hold their own..crime[error]..in check...They will aid in the ejection of all error...[by works...deeds...of love of good...and love of neighbour]
They
97-3 3..will maintain law and order,
and cheerfully await the
97-4 certainty..of ultimate perfection...[righfully due to all]
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 27 November 2010 2:53:47 PM
Sensationless body
Rightly understood,..instead of possessing a sentient/material-form, man has a sensation-less body;..and God..the Soul of man..and of all existence,..being perpetual in His own individuality,..harmony,and immortality,..imparts..and perpetuates..*these qualities..*in man,..*through Mind,..*not matter.
The only excuse...for entertaining human opinions..and rejecting the true Science of our being..is our mortal*-ignorance..of Spirit, - ignorance..which yields..only to the understanding of divine...as if that of Science,the understanding..by which*..we enter into the kingdom of Truth on earth..
and learn that Spirit..is infinite and supreme.
to all spiritual or material..
Spirit and matter no more co-mmingle than light and darkness.
When one appears,..the other dis-appears.
God and His image
Error presupposes man..to be both mind*..and matter.
Divine Science contradicts the corporeal senses,
rebukes..mortal belief,..and asks:..What is the Ego,
281-10 whence its origin and what its destiny?
The Ego-of man,..is the reflection of the of the Ego-God;
the Ego-man..is the image and likeness
of perfect Mind, Spirit, divine-Principle.
[love grace mercy..etc]..life not death..
281-14 The one Ego,..the one Mind..or Spirit called God,
is..cause of..*infinite individuality,
which supplies all form and come-liness
and which reflects reality..and divinity
in individual spiritual man..and from within all manner of things.
281-18 18 The mind supposed*..to exist in matter..or beneath a..skull bone..but this..is a myth,..a misconceived..*sense and false...a miss-conception..as to both man..and Mind..of man.
When we put off the false sense..for that we chose to see as the true,..and see that sin and mortality...have neither*..Principle nor permanency,..we shall learn...that sin and mortality..are without actual origin or rightful existence.[in and of themselves]
They are native nothingness,..out of which error would simulate creation..through a man...materially mearly formed from..*dust.
the inanimate...[life can ONLY come from life...!]
The true new idea
281-27 27
Divine Science..does not put new wine into old bottles,
281-28 Soul into matter.. nor the infinite into the finite.
Our...materialistic..false views of matter..*perish as we grasp..the eternal..facts..of Spirit.
The old belief must be...*cast out..
or the new idea..will be spilled,..and the in-spiration,..which is..*to change*..our materialistic..self-ish..standpoint,..will be lost.
Now,..as of the days of old,..
Truth casts out evils..and heals the sick...
it need only be as simple as jesus informed
thy own faith has healed...you..
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 27 November 2010 3:25:59 PM
Well Hellooooo. :) WOW! I don't know were to start:) I could start with correcting some, but little point in that:) I believe,= On line opinion= is where all is put into the all and then chewed over with the credibility that some maybe missing the point of, the destination of:)....I got that from OUG.
Look! WE grind what pollies cant do in real life. That the magic of this site. I don't know why you cant see it all!
You may not know GRAIG, but he changed the world as he seen it.
Bit by bit, we are stopping corruption, we are stopping the greed, we are stopping the evil that is not making us happy.
We maybe all looking at something that's so natural, we just cant see it.
Now...That would be sad.
BLUE
Posted by Deep-Blue, Saturday, 27 November 2010 8:54:25 PM
:).. A spirit is back!
Posted by jinny, Saturday, 27 November 2010 9:06:21 PM
lol. Your spirit is one that makes the world smile.
BLUE
Posted by Deep-Blue, Saturday, 27 November 2010 9:34:45 PM
That is what I want, but it is not possible because sometimes, due to personal circumstances, we have forgotten.. Just today, I see us fighting for the most ridiculous reasons. Not only are they lost, they abuse substances thinking that it is going to make them happy.
I hope we're will change soon. To appreciate our mother earth, to appreciate that we have life, and spend every single moment celebrating in instead of living in the past.
Watching us saddens me..
btw... Ur spirit has been missed, in a short time u hv made a difference in our lives.
Posted by jinny, Saturday, 27 November 2010 9:47:58 PM
philo/quote..<
insert reletive statement..re-quote..<
ie being*..xtian...beings..of works based on faith...
and the new testiment[love god..by love of neighbour]
and by basing their faith..in the science..*of wholeness...of the wholy biblical-texts..*and maries..science and health's..talking points..regarding its call...and teachings..[revealation's]
<< and..the fact..of all that God makes*..is bassed firstly[foremost]..within the spiritual,..not material>>....[as cause not result]
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[its we*..who give evil/sickness/hate..its reality]
philo claims on this basis...<
the reality may seem to indicate..this is their belief
but they are yet affected by the workings..within..this materialistic state..[to wit..the church being able to be sued..or put in court..or having their faith tested
and being called to account
[are we not all bound within this materialistic reveal]
but im not being clear...where the rubber hits the road
it boils down to living by the words..completly
or being exposed...as having other adgendas
but the writing of mary...are as they are
they dont belong to anyone..[but mary]
and while she might have gifted them
to those working hard to preserve...them..[materially]
there is nothing unique...in this...as this is what..religeons...best do
ie preserve...and hand down..the texts
be they buddist..or ichin..or the writings of shakespear...or paul
ber they collected works...or individual revealation...what isnt so much important...what..'they'..do..but alone
the value of the texts..their labours preserved
[you cant hold book-keepers..to account...]
they but agre..to keep the books
its about the books...[writing/words]..
[mankind..is unique*..with angels..[and god alone]..
in making words..into mind pictures..
that we can visualise..the thoughts..by their words alone..
visualised..into mind..
from their mind..to ours
which link us..
our thoughts...in real-time...
to maries..regardkless of..where/when in time
we either are..or read them..into material-minds..comprehention
god lives alone..in real time..[the ever now]
just as spirits do..too..but for now...words..can communivcate accross time...till the words turn to dust...[or are lost]..
but the spirit...of the word..
that the words sanctify...lives eternally
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 28 November 2010 6:06:01 AM
UOG: do you think it's right that you only refer to Christian holy books? what about the other books then, since you lead your life according to writings by these religious, god fearing people. Fear is a weakness. shouldn't you be preaching human religion instead of a religion that was created by humans for other humans to believe? was is right and wrong, if you don't live this way it's wrong, blah blah blah.. who gave them the right to tell us how to live our lives? can't you just let that deleted thread go? this is how it works.. u can't change it by bringing it up time and time again.
some people are treating this forum as a game, trying to turn threads into a fictional mystery book or something. no life as we say...
BLUE: weren't u supposed to be suspended for a week? how come you were allowed to post before times up? :) yessssss!! kill all the threads, what a bunch of whiners.
sincerely,
spirits of the living jinny
hahahaha... it's christmast day for me! yippeee!
what's christmast anyway, man made illusion that is now commercialized so that we remember to be grateful on a certain day in the year only? come on.. what a waste of money.
enjoy ur sunday :)
Posted by jinny, Sunday, 28 November 2010 6:27:22 AM
Jinny.
I swear little j, you are Certifiable:)but a class act none the less. Thread killer? I say never let a good lie get in the way of the truth:)
Wingers! The world is full them.
The Christmas Spirit still lives in many and well it should.
BLUE: weren't u supposed to be suspended for a week? how come you were allowed to post before times up? :)
Jinny..........its been a week dear. And I see a few more have hit the dust:) Rules are rules, however one may disagree.
Anyway. Water under the bridge:)
You enjoy your S.DAY
BLUE
Posted by Deep-Blue, Sunday, 28 November 2010 8:23:55 AM
BLU/BLUE: i know u've told me not to address u just like a few more hv coz they can't stand my irritating self... but didn't u get suspended on a sunday? maybe i mixed up my days.
trust me, i am not act, unlike some of the posters here.
ya the wingers all they do is complaint, complaint, complaint and not appreciate anything. if they don't like it, go and disappear into the forest and leave society. No one is forcing anyone to live the way they do, they themselves chose it.
got nothing better to do then to cause havoc coz they find it entertaining but they do not realize what impact it causes to others because they are all so selfish.
kill the wingers.. if they come up with good points it's good for everyone.. wanna complain go look in da mirror and complain about yourself first.. bodoh
:) thanks i am, and will.. u too! dun get wet in da rain
p/s: which 'S' are u referring to?
Posted by jinny, Sunday, 28 November 2010 8:31:39 AM
jinny quote..<,some people..are treating this forum as a game,..trying to turn threads..into a fictional mystery book..or something...no life as we say...>.
this is my life jinny
and before you again repeat..me getting one
been there done that..[im twice as old as you]
drinking dosnt excite me...and friends..well fair weather freinds are a dime a dozen..[drinking mates...or forum buddies]..arnt friends
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god gives only that those who are listening..can hear
but then they go the next stage...into being more important..than god...[i cant put any before the only good...only perfect...[god]
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[knowing he loves us all*..the same..regardless of creed...or other human dictions[addirctions...ie putting the ritual...before the message..or the messenger
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i cant change others...
i can only hope to change me
[that dosnt mean i shouldnt try to help others find gods gifts]
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 28 November 2010 10:25:28 AM
UOG: i respect ur work here, n it's all cool..just think u spend a lot of time questioning ur purpose in this life. i question it plenty as well, but only at certain times, certain days. other times is spent doing what my interest are at the moment(we all know what urs is). being a mom, doing whatever i need to do, and still enjoying life no matter what.getting a life part was not so much meant for u. unless i address it to u then it's 100% meant for u. i understand this is ur life. from the first time i noticed u, already knew something happened to u. i'm not sure what yet because u play around with words.
:) ur spirit here has played quite a good role.. sometimes it's quite hard to decode you very very long posts tho. i reckon that's why some of the posters make noise.
this thought just came to mind after reading another thread.
i don't think we get it that everyone has a different view of god. because everyone is different. even if u are the same religion, u will still fight amongst each other because we will always hv(slightly, depends) different views.
UOG: what are you trying to change about yourself might i ask?
Posted by jinny, Sunday, 28 November 2010 3:26:45 PM
jinny/quote..<<..u spend a lot of time questioning..ur purpose>>
we all pick our...'pure-pose.'..i guess this is mine
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thanks..<
<>people say..that we joke about the things we hurt about..the most..not sure if it applies to me...but thats all..that comes to mind to reply
<,:)..sometimes it's quite hard..to decode your..long posts tho...i reckon that's why some of the posters..make noise.>>.they say an artist is rarely appriciated in their time..i admit writing much in code...but many have figured out what im trying to say regardless..[and those..who dont...claim to not read...'it'..anyhow]
but mostly im writing for passing my time
this allows people to read it..or ignore it..in their time
<.god forgives us..[if anyone..get*s..how confusing..god...can be..its god]
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[i addapt...as circumstances change]...
i lived half my life without god...
lived half my life with a wife..
lived half my life..as a father...etc
im half..and half..on most things
change is a thing that happens..without even trying
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 28 November 2010 5:28:25 PM
I had a rather strange experience mySelf once *Philo,* quite unlike any other that I have before experienced. I have never made anything of it particularly other than perhaps "pidgeon holing" it under, for want of a better title for the category, "things that make One go, hmmmm."
In the experience that I had, even though it was in toto rather brief (I think), I could actually see through the walls of my bedroom at that time.
Of course, I was intimately familiar with that which I saw, (well, most of it) and thus the imagery, except perhaps for the perspective that I had at the time of the viewing itSelf, was already known to me and recorded in my "wet web" somewhere.
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In any event, I was curious visa vi your experience in regards to anything "odd, "strange" or otherwise outside your prior experience that you may have perceived?
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Legal Aid? Did someone say " ... *Legal Aid? ... *
Well, I think that such applications can be of great benefit even if subsequently rejected, as in the preparation of the application itself, it will by its very nature insist that you get all of your relevant affairs in order and that, if appropriately maintained, can stand you in good stead for any dealings with any department that you may have in the future,
AND
if done correctly, may earn One's Self a dollop of respect from relevant authorities, which in turn may lead to one being considered to be a reasonable and rationale person, assuming you also pass the unwritten "attitude test," if applied.
Then, if One's testimony accords with the relevant facts and evidence, One may then come to be considered as a credible witness, and that's important.
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Of course, none of that constitutes advice in the legal sense as "legal advice" can only be dispensed by those so empowered by statute, and I am not qualified, so do please take all that with a pinch of salt.
Posted by DreamOn, Sunday, 28 November 2010 9:59:25 PM
Jinny.
:trust me, Iam not an act, unlike some of the posters here."
Interesting...can you elaborate on that?
Yes your quite right...one must look at one's self before judgment is made.
I have an other ghost story for you, and like always, its true.
One night in the times of the early sensitivities of youth, my parents had just gotten home from a night-out. All is well as you would expect since I looked after myself from an early age, and the usual greetings by my loving parents was always a wanted relief when spending time alone.
Once my father had closed up our house for the night, a small tapping sound was coming from somewhere in the dining room. Now, oddly enough.....the wind out-side had ceased and the most stillest of the air just sent goose bumps flying all over us, but the sound continued.
In the dining room was a picture of a lake some-where in NSW, just a photo copy, nothing great..........however some-thing strange was happening.
Just one corner of the picture was tapping all by its self, and louder and louder the noise grew until my mother and I stepped back as white as one can be, and of course my father was not one for believing in the super-natural and just shook he head, then walked over and stopped the painting with his hand. All good....except not one of us could explain it..........then just five minuets after he had stopped the picture, the phone rang with a police-officer on the end saying, my mothers father had just been killed crossing the road-way for some milk.
Just a coincidence.........maybe.
However, my mother thinks death came calling.
You just had to be there. trust me.
BLUE
Posted by Deep-Blue, Monday, 29 November 2010 2:13:33 PM
BLUE: first questions answers lays somewhere here:http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4082#103361
oooo...nice story(i beleive u), jeez, sure sent some goosebumps travelling. your writings of such past are so detailed and nice to read:). I'm agreed with ur mother on that one. i believe in spirits remember? so since u've seen all these, do u still wanna still see a ghost? why?
i haven't payed much attention to death of late and touchwood, it's been a while since someone close to me passed on. there has been really tragic death in the family but i was to young and busy with life then to notice anything. i did notice on a few occasions tho, how moths use to come in our home and not want to leave, even when i try to make it leave. it rather die there then go back to life. well, that's the circle of life. the chinese have a saying tho, that when someone passes, they come back in the form of a moth. have heard many stories from my chinese friends about that one. sometimes when i think of the close people i've lost, i feel as tho they're watching me.(i said feel, i'm not crazy ok:P)
DreamOn: been there done that(a few times), not much help. Found a few more and working on it. thx tho, if i'm assuming pls disregard.
i find it bit odd that even when i was young, and with a group of other kids, they swear they saw ghosts, and even described them, some incidence i've heard noises, felt the wind change, but i have yet to see one. too bad for me:( no fair.
Posted by jinny, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 4:27:29 AM
OUG:sorry for the late response, too many things to do, not enough time, never enought time. was a great weekend tho. weekdays i'm less fond of.
u were the only one who cared enough to tried to reach out to me and for that i will be forever grateful. i told u a little, and i think u saw(?) enough. what's been going on here anyway? i'll hv to catch up somehow..errr
we all play our little games on the internet, fun if you know how. beneficial nevertheless.
oh, before i forget, try using proxy next time you can't access something on the web.
"we joke about the things we hurt about" true for me, but only to people i don't have a reason to talk about it to.
"an artist is rarely appriciated in their time" agreed. i appreciate the stuff u write, told u before and so hv others. too bad for the ones who can't understand and decode.:P
"god forgives us" no point if we don't forgive ourselves and others first
"how boring would it be if we were all the same" i can go on and on about how the ants aka robots aka the ones caught up in this rat race work.
but u are trying to make a change, that's why you share all that knowledge u hv hidden up there. we share a same trade, same same but different http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive%E2%80%93compulsive_personality_disorder :P
try not to live in the past, time to move on now.
Posted by jinny, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 4:51:15 AM
more from 30 years link
i would like to convey...what eddie..conveyed back from the beyond
[30 years..amoung the dead..chapter 14
Christian-Science says..we should*overcome matter.
We cannot overcome matter..by will.
When we are in the physical-body..and the body*needs certain forces..of which it is made,..if we do*not get them..in our food..we must get them..through medicine..and so build up the material-body,..
because will*..cannot conquer substance.[realise dreams cannot alter reality..only affect our preception..of it]..sooner or later gravity helps wake..the hardest dreamer.
God has given us..a will*..to use
as a force..*in Nature..and we should use it..*rightly.
When..as Scientists we refuse to do this.. we must suffer the consequences...I was an example of..such a consequence.
I went into Science..with full will-power..and full-faith that there is..no such thing..as matter
and..*that we should overcome it...I tried and failed.
{Mrs.Eddy is suffering now..for advancing that idea.]..[karmic laws]
When you have a dress..that is wearing out..you try to get some material /of the same color..and quality with which to mend the dress.
We do not do that..with our bodies.
We think the body..alone..*should develop..the substance..it needs when it wears out.
I did not get enough elements..in my food..to build up my physical body,..my organs..became atrophied..and sluggish and were inactive..because I did not take..*the right *food..to
give them proper activity
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I should have gone to a physician..to have them put in normal condition,..but instead I..tried to use my will..to make them work.
I tried by intelligence..to overcome and build up..the weak part of my body.
That is just as if..one refused to mend a worn place..in a dress,insisting..that no hole could come..in that dress.
I was just as foolish about my body,..and I*had to suffer the results.
When the body needs toning up..we must do something*..to tone it up..and to get the..*required..electric/energy..[material]..forces to set it right.
I passed out..because I wore out my body..with my mind and did/not feed it..or take sufficient care of it.
God gave us our bodies..
and He also gave us minds...*to take care of them.*
If we become..one-sided..and think mind is all..
*then..we get into trouble...
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 10:18:49 AM
I took good care of my clothes,..but how little I took care of my body.
If..I had paid/half..as much attention..*to my body..as I did to my clothes..I feel..that I would have been on earth-today.
Probably some day..things will be so understood..that there will be no death..I mean..that we will..merely step-out of..the physical_body into..the spirit world.
If..one would prepare himself for passing-out of the body..as he does for a journey..he/would be able to say:..“Now I am ready to go...I am through with this world...It is time for me to go,..and I want to go to the spirit..side of life.”
Then..there would be no dread.
Many Christian-Scientists ruin..their bodies..by lack of right/care and often go..as far as I did;..they use will,no reason,..and take improper nourishment,..or not enough.
I knew..about ten years ago..that I should attend to my inactive organs...If I had had them attended to,..I would not have suffered as I did.
I suffered a great deal..and I used my
will..to make inactive parts act.
I should have..liked to remain on earth..long enough.to do the work I felt I should do;..but I will do the work on the spirit side of life, and when my wife comes we will work..together.
My dear wife,..if I had thought less of mental,..or Christian Science,..and given more/thought..to the material_side..of things,..then you would be in a better position than you are...now.
I really lost all thought of things material..and I guess I thought we could live on air,..and I always thought conditions..would change some time.
I did not realize...I was so hypnotized..in my work that I hardly lived..*in the material world.
I knew about the wonderful truth of the life beyond. I knew it well while in life,..but I shut the door..because I wanted a religion of my own...reasoned..Spiritualism..belonged to the past days.
I wanted..*something new,..something higher,
something better than..spirit return.
I taught that..you must not let any entities* control you,
or in-fluence you,..or give you..any inspiration,..
but that you must be yourself
and develop yourself,..and be one..with the Infinite.
ie..Shut the door..to the spirit world and be selfish -
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 10:27:05 AM
that was I.
I had the truth of healing..the sick.
I was a medium,..and in my younger days..my childhood,..*I was obsessed.
As I grew older no one knew what was the matter with me..for I had such queer spells.
Now I know..*what it was..an influence
was controlling me..whenever I had the spells.
I was of a very nervous temperament..and I was cured of those spells by Dr. Quimby...He believed in the work of obsession.
I took some of his doctrine..and used it for my own.
The doctrine would have been all right..if I had not denied the finer forces..*in Nature.
I denied matter,..but friends,..as I told you one time,
I had a vision,..and I saw how they treated patients
*in the other world,..but at that time..I thought it was a dream.
They were teaching..*the spirits..that there is no such thing as matter...They said:“Forget it,..it is only imagination...You are not sick,{spiritually}..you just imagine it...IE..That belongs to matter.
That is only..your mortal mind.
You should overcome..and develop..*the spirit within you.”
I thought that this vision..meant that I was to teach that..on earth,..and I set to work.
Now I see my mistake,..because there is matter,
and so long as you live on the material_plane..you will have to recognize matter.
When you reach the spirit side..of life
your mind..*has to be taught to overcome matter,..*not cling to it,
because spirits..in darkness are clinging to matter
as much as we cling to..*matter..when we have our physical bodies.
I took this and taught it,and started on my work.
It was so misunderstood,..because I could not myself explain..why matter was not...really real..[here/now]
If only..I could get people..to recognize matter
and recognize..the truth..*of life_after..this!
If I could only go back to..my Church and teach the truth,;;the genuine Truth..of God!
God is the Spirit of the Universe
and we are a part of..that Great Spirit.
Understanding this,..we*..*can overcome matter.
You are..*in the material body..and it it IT..[body]
but not spirit..not..you*..that has become..*sick.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 10:34:39 AM
Your BODY..[material]..becomes sick..because there is..a lack of something*..in your physical-body..but your spirit body..is all ways perfect
it is the material;..which you must have,for now
that has some element missing..that helps in some..way..or another.
But your mind can help..to overcome...If I had taught..that..instead of denying matter altogether,..it would have been..so much better.
We have only one mind.
You understand..where I got the mortal mind part from?
I thought that should be taught here,
but it should..*only be taught beyond the grave,..beyond
the veil,..and only to the earthbound-spirits..*who are in darkness and cling to matter.
That..should be taught..on the spirit side of life..and not on the earth-plane.
Have love..and sympathy and do the very best you know how for others.
I could not leave this matter alone..and I do not feel that I should,..because it crushes me so.
Further evidence of the fact that Mrs.Eddy,..when on earth,
knew the truth regarding the spirit side of life..and the earthbound condition is found in one of the early editions of..the Christian Science text book..in the chapter on..“The Science of Being.”
“If the Principle,..rule,and demonstration of Being are not in the least understood..before what is termed 'death'..overtakes mortals, they will rise..no higher in the scale of existence..at that single point of experience;
*but will remain as material..as before the transition,..still seeking happiness..through a material..instead of through a spiritual sense..of Life,..and from selfish and inferior motives.
So long as the error or belief lasts,..that life and mind are finite and physical,..and are manifested through brain and nerves,..
*so long..the penalty of sickness,..sin,..and death will*..continue...
To the other,..the spiritual class,..relates the scripture:
'On such..the second death..*hath no power.' “
A spirit who had become fanatical over the Christian Science teachings...need to know..that mrs eddie..only taught that she saw from a spiritual perscpective...
completly ignoring the means by which she was revealing that knowledge..[of spirit]...and especially..that of spirtual obsession
but lets hear her words..some more
If I had only opened..the door of the real spiritual understanding and..taught the real truth..*on earth,..things would be different.
I knew I had the truth...[spiritual..not material]
We should unite..and be one strong body,..
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 1:45:59 PM
because I know..there is power in concentration,..and I only wish..that I could have the whole world understand..*this doctrine.
If..I could only come back..and tell my people..what I now have to do.
You saw the demonstration..you had here tonight.
Concentrate your mind..over and over,..again and again,
round and round,..and read and read
that was the way I taught..one was to reach understanding.
I said my followers should read my books,..and read them..and read them..until they became second nature.
When you are..in matter..the mind has*to have some food...
But when my people pass to the spirit side of life..and matter is no more,..and then/when..they have thrown off..the mortal error,..
but..THEN..we*have no concept..of what next..
I try to help them..because..*I taught mortal error..
and did not teach..the mortal-truth.
I feel so sad,..and I do wish..I could tell them
to open..the door for the spirit of understanding,..*and not keep on just reading..and reading and concentrating...
[ie learn..to live this material life..being ready for the next..[live todays reality..now]
I knew I had..parts of..the real truth..and I had power,..but I was selfish...I wanted to have a religion of my own...I wanted one..that the whole world..should know.
What have I now?
When..my people pass to the spirit..side of life
the door is closed..and..I cannot open it.
My people read..and read,..and the majority come over here..without any understanding...I closed the door..for my people..and it is hard.
It is easy for them..so long as..*they are in*.the mortal body,
but when..they have lost..the mortal body..*they see nothing...
For them..there is no spirit world, ..it is all..“Infinite.”
I taught them..to close the door to the spirit world,and I taught them to read..*only my books.
I was a trance medium..and I gave readings,..but I must confess I felt that was too common...I wanted to reach..more intelligent people,..because..I found that Spiritualism*would not reach the people..I wanted to reach,..
so I took Quimby's doctrine,..and also,..as I told you previously,..the vision..I had of mortal mind..*in the spirit world,..and combined the two.
We all..have our ups..and downs,.
here as well as..on the other side..of life
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 1:53:34 PM
How I do wish..I had taught obsession,..which I knew was true,..but I did not.
When I..used to go into trances..I wrote a great deal,..and when I came to myself
I would deny what I got.
I was obsessed by some spirit who wanted me to do..such work
and I could not really help myself.
If I had written the books..as they were given to me,
and credited their source,..I might have revolutionized the world.
Concentrate your mind on success..and have no fear that you will not succeed,
and all over the world will spread this wonderful truth of spirit return
and obsession,..and through your obsession/work..you will cure many more people than I did.
In our work,..often when a healing was instantaneous,
it was an obsession being relieved.
You understand also that all the healers..are in the circle of concentration with
the power of the whole church to aid them,..and that power of concentration is so strong
that an obsession..cannot live in that atmosphere.
Many I cured were obsessed,..but they concentrated that they were not sick.
How are they helped? I will tell you.
The average doctor..tells a patient..that he has such and such..a sickness.
He creates a fear..in his patients mind.
Let us take a case of gall stones. It is very hard to diagnose such a case correctly.
The doctor says the patient has gall stones;..sometimes he operates..when that should not be done.
Sometimes the patient gets well ..without an operation.
That is due to his mind...He concentrates his mind on gall stones,..gall stones,
until he can think of nothing else.
You understand,..you have..*in your mind..a creative power.
We each..have a spark of the/Infinite..within us.
In that Divine spark God created the world,..all in it,..and you..as a part.
Each of us has much of that creative power..!
and when you set your mind working with
that power..*you create your condition.
When you go to one of my practitioners,..the first thing that is done
is to take your mind/off your sickness.
You are given absent treatment to get rid of fear.
You have the same creative power..within yourself.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 1:55:07 PM
We have more success..because so many..*are obsessed.
When you have fear*..you are..affected..and affecting[interacting..with/in..the negative.]
I will be..with you..to teach obsession..to the world.
Teach the real truth..and do not care for people's opinions.
If only I could go..back..to my Mother-Church..and teach them the truth!
..That the mind..has power..to create the condition
in which a spirit finds itself.*.after transition
In a case of diphtheria..the mind can help,..*but..we cannot kill germs...There are many/things..we fail in,..but we have success with chronic cases.
I closed the door..I should have opened wide..to give my knowledge to the world...I had..the power..and gift that God gave me..to do work to help humanity,..and to teach humanity..that..*there is a life after this.
I was a medium..and could have helped open the door
from the spirit world..to earth life,
but..I closed it..because of my selfishness*.
Also I liked to have..something new that was
not known before,..and to establish a religion..of my own.
I taught..*the wrong religion of life,..and I denied the truth of spirit return,and..tried to give out other things..which suited my own fancy..my own self..again.
I shut the door for myself..and for my followers..hereafter.
If you could..only help me to open the door again..to tell them..that I am trying my very best..to open the eyes of my followers.
*Tell them..not to shut the door to the truth.
Truth will stand..wherever you find it,
but do not deny it..when you find it.
I denied it,
and so I suffer.
Here are my followers..coming to me..one by one.
Every day there are some..coming_over..to the spirit side of life,..and..I..am trying to tell them..of the beautiful spirit world.
But they say,..“No,..you are not Mrs.Eddy,..because she did not teach that..when she was on earth...You are only a false person.”
And then..they go away.
You see..what I have to deal with,..and I cannot progress
until..I can help all these..to open their eyes.
We should not deny God's..wonderful manifestation..*of matter.
It is real,..not imagination...
You could not live..without matter.
You could not have..manifestations
..without matter.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 2:01:19 PM
I denied..*the wonderful manifestation..of matter
and called it..only imagination..and error.
We have only one mind..the mind..that God gave..to every mortal being...Matter..belongs to..material*..things...
Still we have matter..in the spirit world,..but more ethereal.
I denied it...What is my spiritual-body now?
It is in a very crippled condition..because my mind..was so closed and..I denied the truth.
I prayed to God,..and I said..that God was All in All,
and..His manifestations beautiful..and said..that we should look up to Him.
Where is God?..What is God?
I said to my people that..“God is Love,..and Love is God,”
but that phrase..*became only..empty talk with my followers.
We must realize God..and..*where God is.
God is Life;..God is Electricity,..in sound..in vision..feeling emotion..because..such are the..electricity/salt of life..such are/is the condition..*of life.
Electricity..is only one part of God's wonderful..manifestation.
Flowers..and colors..of all kinds..*are manifestations..of His wonders.
Go into chemistry,..go into the wonderful mystery..of life,
go into..the microscopical world...
These I denied entirely.
I denied..there was..such a thing as disease..and denied the existence of..germs.
When you get into..the microscopical world..you will find a world
in..and within itself,..and a very wonderfu..* amasing..complete god_given..one.
Now I am talking..of what I have,..now learned.
Body and spirit..are the nearest to His wonderful_manifestation,
yet..a little microbe can kill..the body..
*but not..*the spirit.
Why should we not..be powerful enough
to overcome a..little microbe?
I denied God..!..by denying matter...
Let us go..into chemistry..and see the wonderful things there.
*That is matter...Did I go into it?..*No,..I did not.
It is easy to say..there is..no such thing as matter,
yet..that it is only..*mortal error.
Let us study.
Anything that is..in matter,..study..*in every phase.
I have my eyes open now...I wish I could come back..to teach my people ..the wonders..*of Nature,..and the wonders..we can do to help humanity,..
and the spirits ..hat are in..their spiritual/ritualised..realised..*darkness.
I am here myself...I have to serve..for what I have done,
and I speak,..not here alone,..but everywhere.
I came..to tell you this.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 2:08:23 PM
UOG: lacking of believe is the issue. ever heard of this statement: if you can get yourself sick, u can get yourself unsick? well i believe that, i hv to, because i did it. i was sick, very underweight, couldn't sleep(coughing too much), could't eat, just sick, n it came to a point i had no more options. i will never ask for help(if i can help it), and have always practices self-therapy. so i did, with my physical injuries, what i needed to do to get better, because i have lives dependent on me. so now, i am the healthy, without and professional help, only self help. no medication, only believe.
tell them, why can't u? u were selfish in the past, now u know better?
this link(not sure if everyone can access it, shows spirits in the directors mind)http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=181053281911872&oid=115603198474325&comments
it is sad yet true.
this one i would like to dedicate to Master Jetson http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=177667048917162&oid=115603198474325&comments
ohhh, and btw, you are a HOMOSAPIEN, come back here! come back to earth! helloooooo, time to wake up now..where have you gotten lost in? :P
Posted by jinny, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 6:29:35 AM
i feel..im more homo-erect us..[jinny]
you know the power of mind...as do i
sadly others might not
so lets hear..the words..
of the mind of..mary..who knew the power of mind
but also found..the importance of the body..nearly too late
Let everyone open the door..
to the spirit world..when he has found it...good..[thus of god]..
Do not deny it,..*do seek to not deny it...as your due..
its promise..only you can make...our reality
Christ said,..do not hide your light under a bushel.
Let it shine for..*others...be the best you...you can be
Christ said:..“I am the light..of the world;..like god is the light of the spirit
he that followeth me..shall not walk in darkness.”
Christ was the Truth.
When you find the truth..do not deny it..but give it by works..out to the world.
but..I shut the door...I wanted to keep the people
under my control,..and I did.
I am now..suffering for what I did.
yet..Tonight I feel so happy..to think I can be of help..to earthbound spirits
that are doing..very much mischief..to humanity...help free them..thus freeing the humans..they obsess..
If you could only see how many spirits there are..in darkness..
who cling to human bodies..and obsess people..and send them to the asylums,..or lead them into hell's darkness...and into the love of evil
or to the spirit world's nether regeons..
for those..who mock eternity..by shortening their obessed human's..lives...
There is so much work to be done...better.
Let us all join hands..and work in love and truth..together
to spread the truth of the life hereafter,and the goods of god
and also..to help the earthbound spirits...only hurting themselves all the more
Do not cast any of'them'..away..and say they are devils.
They are only ignorant..spirits..like myself...that decieved..of ignorance
[truelly to whom much was given..much was expected]
I wanted..to be something..in the world..and sold my soul,..for money/fame.
Let us all join together..and pray to God to open the hearts
of all my people..to look into..the higher life..of spirits...but knowing
for now..our calling is right here right now..
in this material realm..
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 4:07:29 PM
i feel..im more homo-erect us..[jinny]
you know the power of mind...as do i
sadly others might not
so lets hear..the words..
of the mind of..mary..who knew the power of mind
but also found..the importance of the body..nearly too late
Let everyone open the door..
to the spirit world..when he has found it...good..[thus of god]..
Do not deny it,..*do seek to not deny it...as your due..
its promise..only you can make...our reality
Christ said,..do not hide your light under a bushel.
Let it shine for..*others...be the best you...you can be
Christ said:..“I am the light..of the world;..like god is the light of the spirit
he that followeth me..shall not walk in darkness.”
Christ was the Truth.
When you find the truth..do not deny it..but give it by works..out to the world.
but..I shut the door...I wanted to keep the people
under my control,..and I did.
I am now..suffering for what I did.
yet..Tonight I feel so happy..to think I can be of help..to earthbound spirits
that are doing..very much mischief..to humanity...help free them..thus freeing the humans..they obsess..
If you could only see how many spirits there are..in darkness..
who cling to human bodies..and obsess people..and send them to the asylums,..or lead them into hell's darkness...and into the love of evil
or to the spirit world's nether regeons..
for those..who mock eternity..by shortening their obessed human's..lives...
There is so much work to be done...better.
Let us all join hands..and work in love and truth..together
to spread the truth of the life hereafter,and the goods of god
and also..to help the earthbound spirits...only hurting themselves all the more
Do not cast any of'them'..away..and say they are devils.
They are only ignorant..spirits..like myself...that decieved..of ignorance
[truelly to whom much was given..much was expected]
I wanted..to be something..in the world..and sold my soul,..for money/fame.
Let us all join together..and pray to God to open the hearts
of all my people..to look into..the higher life..of spirits...but knowing
for now..our calling is right here right now..
in this material realm..
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 4:11:29 PM
If all..churches..could be turned into sanitariums..for earthbound spirits..to be helped to their righfull place..what great good could be done!..
We could empty the asylums..and help..people..out of their misery.
Let us help the unfortunate ones..instead of sending them to the asylums
where they are mistreated,..for it is not understood..that the poor ones who are obsessed..suffer..only..because of..the spirits who control them.
Let us try to do all we can..to spread the truth..and help every one who is obsessed.
I wish all could realize..and understand how beautiful
and simple conditions are..if people..would only open their eyes to see them.
I mean they should open the soul eyes,..but they are so material.
And everything..that is being taught..is only matter.
as..People..cannot grasp spiritual things.
The Bible is a beautiful book..if it is read spiritually,
not taken literally,..and not as history.
I wanted to study..and learn what is in life,..
what is the aim of life..here on earth.
If you would only stop..to think and study yourself..a little
you would see how wonderfully God has manifested..
his love/truth/grace/mercy..with-in you.
First,..there is your material body
how beautifully..and wonderfully it is constructed.
But how much more wonderful your mind..*is.
How few..understand the real meaning of life;..
instead..it is always theory..or dogma.
It seems hard..to get people to understand.
When they get a little glimpse of light..*they add dogma and theories of various kinds.
If they would only be natural..and look at Nature.
Everywhere you look..it is so simple to understand.
where love/live/light/logic is there is god..[good]
There is no dogma..or theory in Nature's finer forces.
These forces are hidden,..*but they are..*for you to discover.
It is for you..to find God's wonderful manifestation..
{GOOD/love/grace/mercy}..in Nature.
Let us worship God in that way...Let us worship Him..
in that wonderful living/loving spirit..which is everywhere.
Let us send out love..to His children...[all living is his]
We are all*..children of God,..not just my child..or your child,..but all
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 4:39:56 PM
Do not think..there is no one for you..but your own child.
That attitude..is a sin..and very selfish,..for it is all..only for self.
Let us give out love..as God gives it to us..all...Let the sun shine..every day..on us and on..everybody..not just upon one or two,..of few..but all...
Let the sun{light]..of understanding bring-out
beautiful thoughts..of love/grace/mercy.
I want YOU..to know the real life...I have had..many difficulties
and I still have, because I wanted to shin..and I wanted to be a light...I wanted to be known as one of The Teachers...[and so you were beloved]
I had my difficulties..before I attained my ambition.
I followed studies..of various kinds
but most of all..the secret of suggestion.
If you knew..how to apply and concentrate!
Get one thing in mind..and do not let..anything else come into your mind;
just concentrate..your thoughts..on that very thing.
Suggest and suggest..and concentrate,..then you will gain strength and power...[but be carefull..to think only pure..constant love]
or demons come..in lue of angels..like*..attracts like
When you talk..try to suggest..*only good things,
keep them..in your mind..and hold them,..because you,..have loves power of good..
over them..that need..fear.
There are meetings..of various kinds..but in a meeting for concentration of good..and suggestion for good..*of god..there is power..and strength..only in good.
A man can hold..his audience..by his hypnotic power,..[but vile can have no power over good..and you follow along..only that of good..and presently you get..*strength and power.
I studied that..of mortal empowerment..because I wanted to have such power..and I got it.
I got that,..but another..much more important thing..I did not get,..which was to study..Nature's finer forces..instead of clothing myself..with one idea..and just circling around..and around...I held people in that mortal mind-circle..and did not let them..get out.
If I had only done..what was first given to me..in a vision!..That is what I should have/done,..but I closed the door..because I wanted to hold..my people..through suggestion.
I felt that I had the power..to conquer everything,..even the world.
I did a great deal,..but selfishness crept in.
I meant well..in the beginning..and I did well,
but I was selfish...
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 5:24:18 PM
I thought..I had it all.
Others..had power before me..and others will have it after me
in the same way,,..but I felt..I had it all..and that I..had found it all.
I was not true...I should have said..I had found the truth..and I should have given it to..others..as*.it was given to me,..but I did not...
I called it my own,..and I closed the door..for the real truth.
I found the truth in the beginning,..but I clung to theory,
and that is the way..with all of us..who try to be leading lights.
We are always clinging to theories..and not to the truth.
Theories seem to hold the people better..than does the truth.
We do not teach it..as we should.
The truth would always stand..*if we did not deny it...by calling that not of good..of god.
All leaders want a little theory..of their own,..and want to gather the people around them..and hold them...They succeed for a while only,..for truth within it..will spring up and spread...the weeds as much as the wheat.
Do not be afraid of the truth,..do not be ashamed of it...Some day or other every one..*will have an understanding of truth...It is there and it TOO..will blossom..
Do not clothe it..with weeds..of dogma and theory.
good is good..not only of itself..but for all
If I had taught fully..the truth..as i was DOING..I should now..be so much happier
and it would have been so much..*better for my Church.
I thank you..[my loyal good church]..
for what I never felt..that I was a little woman;
I felt that I had the power..to conquer the world's of spirit..as well as material.
You can have that power..too..!
if fear does not interfere with you.
Concentrate..and shut the door to fear...
Do not..let fear/doudt/hate..discord..come in.
If you feel fear,..say “No, no, no,..
I am not afraid...I shall conquer,”
and you will be surprised at your power...
In a moment you will feel you are a giant...for even i am yet here
Shut the door to fear..and open the door to spiritual power
and the strength of God..[good].will flow in..and give you strength and power.
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 5:26:26 PM
You can never accomplish anything..when you have fear.
Take five minutes each day..and concentrate on facing down fear.
Say,
“I shall never be afraid,..I can conquer,”
and keep on to the good,,and onto the better,..
and you will be surprised..at the result.
There is always worry and fear...Worry is the sister to fear...
When you have conquered..these two you will have strength and power,..and you can help in healing...that of the mortal mind..and mortal body..
You can help..*everybody
by just speaking..a loving word to them.
When I had conquered fear and worry..I sent my thoughts for strength..and health to the
persons who were sick...That was power..and removed..the fear..of sickness from them.
When you treat persons,..the first thing..is to take away fear and worry...Let them forget
themselves...Forget self*..and you will be surprised how strong..and well you will be...That is the secret of health.
It takes time to conquer;..do not be discouraged...If it looks dark,..overcome fear and
worry...When you once have conquered you will be well...You will be well and you will
do well in every way.
Now I will say just..a few words about my experience..in the spirit world.
In the first place,..when I passed into the spirit side of life..it was in one way surprising to me,..because I had concentrated..that I should live forever,..and had gotten the idea in my mind..[material mind]..that I would not die...[materially]
I had the idea..that there is no death,..and that I would never die.
I took it literally...
I thought my body would never die..and that I would stay on earth forever.
There is no death when you have understanding;..we only change the physical-body..for the spiritual..body.
My body began to grow old...I concentrated and suggested,..but I used too much energy
in my work and I wore out...Finally I lost out and another stepped in;..at the last I was
obsessed...Of course my people did not know it,..but there were times when I was not
myself.
I thought I would never die..but I had to go..just the same.
Now I can see..how ridiculous the thing of materoial believing..spiritually was.
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 5:28:04 PM
You know..I did not believe in matter...believing..There was no such thing as matter,
still my body..was placed in a casket and sealed..so well that my body could never get out of the casket.
It was sealed in many ways so nobody could get it.
If there is no matter why should all that money have been used to put my body into the..grave?..That was against my teachings,..but we are material nevertheless.
When I woke up to life - remember,..I say life,because that was the real life..I had a..spirit body.
In my visions I had been to the spirit world many times..and had always..returned to earth...This time I felt that I could go back again,..but my body was not there.
It had been interred.
Still I did not realize the change..because I had closed the door for spirit's return. I did not want to teach it...I knew it,..because I was a medium in my early days.
I gave readings in Boston..for some time,.and I gave lectures as well,
but after a while I denied it all..the truth was not in me.
When I woke up in my spirit body..I still did not realize that it was not my material
body...It was very hard for me to understand..that I had gone through the change called
death..because I had concentrated..and concentrated..that I should never die.
The realization of material death..took much time.
Then I had much to do,..and many difficulties to overcome.
First of all came my brother Albert...When he came I felt that I did not want to have
anything to do with spirits...You see,..I said in my book that there is no such thing as spirit return...I had so hypnotized myself..and many others..with that theory that it was real to me.
Why did you not give me..a little credit for the help I gave you?”
Then I saw how selfish I had been...I was accused...haunted..obsessed
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 5:31:08 PM
I was helped..but had not given credit for it.
I was obsessed..when I was a young child..and often had spells of obsession.
For many years those obsession spells came over me.
Quimby helped me;..he took the spirits away and taught me the true religion.
He taught me to know myself...He taught me spirit return,..but I did not listen...After he had gone I..took his theory..as my own.
In the spirit world..I had to go through a great deal..to over come selfishness.
Albert came..and told me..that I had not taught the whole truth.
There was a time when I was a medium..and he talked through me,..but after a while I
refused to allow this.
Now he came to me again and said...“Come, I will show you..that what you have taught
is not true,..and that you did not tell the truth.”
After that my first husband came...He understood me better than the rest.
He showednme the way.
One by one many friends came..Then came Quimby...He said: “You took my theory.
I had to
serve and learn the lesson of life as a little child. I had to be taught about God in a
different way.
Mental healing is something we should all learn, It is of great importance.
Let us all learn to overcome by suggestion and concentration.
Get your mind centered and learn the art of concentration. Take some object..say that
table..concentrate..and concentrate and
try to hold your mind on that table,..nothing else,for five minutes. You cannot do it.
Try,..try very hard,..and after a while you will succeed.
That is the secret of health..concentration is the secret of power.
You must be able to concentrate your mind..on one object for five minutes.
This will require a long,..long time of practice
t does not come to you at once because as soon as you try to concentrate and
keep your mind absolutely on the table there will be a dozen other thoughts coming into
your mind.
Keep them out, and keep your mind on the object and you will find in time
that I am right.
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 5:34:38 PM
Well *OUG,* be it *Spirit World* or just an interesting pathology of the flesh, or even a bit of both, I got the impression that you had extended periods within the state of consciousness to which you refer.
..
In my case, I was in an altered state of "some" kind consciously but once and perhaps for only a few seconds:
(Memory Fragment)
It is if I am sitting up, on my butt, in a half lotus, on my bed, looking directly forward through my bedroom, to the wall, and concurrently through the wall, to the porch area before the front door, AND I am perceiving something - in flight/in passage.
That which I perceive though I can see through as if there is nothing there but a bending/regular distortion of the "?light?" giving rise to the appearance of an "ovally/egg shaped" object, but one not defined by its own ROYGBIV edges and texture, but rather more like an image out of a "magic eye" book, which is defined rather by the picture surrounding it.
(of course, I am into Sci Fi, RPG and computers.)
And then it passed through the front door, into the hall, did a high speed 90 degree turn at the same apparent speed, through my bedroom door and then ...zooooom ... straight into me.
(Of course, I was acutely unwell at the time, more than 1 year deep in the pit of psychosis with non stop auditory hallucinations, though in the above described experience, there were no auditories or associated disturbences, only vision, and nothing but a placid space)
(incidentally, this also makes me wonder what else *Dr Michael Persinger* can do with his EM generating Helm)
..
and ZAP, the experience which began in early puberty, described as likely "Sleep Paralysis" by one neurologist
(there are interesting articles on this in WikiPedia along with accompanying writings on the plethora of different international cultural practice and associated Belief Systems that have sprung up surrounding it)
and KundaLini by my "MetaPhysical" friends.
/t.b.c.
Posted by DreamOn, Thursday, 2 December 2010 1:18:02 PM
I was never into it, it made me fearful, though I did get into focusing it at different points a few times, and the couple of occasions that I could not stop it erupting into my head, it hurt. So, suffice to say, I wasn't really into it.
..
THIS TIME though there was no stopping it and it felt like it went off in the centre of my brain .. AND then a bi-release of something that was ever so soothing for a full day or so,
(which stood in stark contrast to the "Hell on a Stick" of my condition which had been unabated for more than a year, where the only Peace I ever had was when I was asleep, and in that brief "Dreamy" period prior to becoming conscious and "waking up.")
..
Thereafter, little by little, inch by inch, I crawled out of the pit, re-constituted mySelf and become healthier and stronger once again.
..
That is my personal "Born Again Experience," for want of a better term.
Posted by DreamOn, Thursday, 2 December 2010 1:21:43 PM
sound like..you had
what is called..''the dark-night'..of..the soul'..dream-on..
not sure about..what you saw..
[to me it sounds like ball-lightening]
[which is basicly energy..caught up in a loop...so as to be self sustaining]
these have been repoted doing as you describe...
the only thing sure about it
is not to fear it..clearly it never hurt you
i read about kundilie..but wasnt sure about it
..so never looked further into it..[the headaches etc ..indicate to me dangers]
alterd states..is an area that can get confounded...
depending on beliefs..and perceptions..
and even the terms we use..in trying to describe..'it'..
whatever..it was..
anyhow..im only quoting..some good bits
from the 30 years amoung the dead..link
not*my own experience...only reportedly..via first person..
from some..whos writings..i have read...and have trust in..[to a point]
continued from
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4008&page=0
where the madam..reveals the power of music
but there is music that of of heaven
as well as that song from hell
[knowing the difference..is in what they recall...to you within]
good song can only bring good fruits..
somebody done me wrong songs..can only cast blame
do that you do do well..sing a happy song
When they have given..their attention...to the higher music,..we
concentrate on them to waken..and look up to higher things..love grace..mercy.
Artists then..paint pictures..of the higher life for them,..
object lessons,..little stories...just as children have been poluted..by negative imagry...on earth...we reach them into higher learning..for the better loving things..
Their life history..can be seen by us..
and we put this in pictures,..one by one,..
and let them..gently..see..the mistakes they have made.
Presently..they ask questions..a
nd then..we are allowed to come a little-closer..to them.
After that..we take them..on..to the higher life...
helping them clear..their astral..and aural bodies of their selfish stains
In another group..altogether..are those who are self-hypnotized.
They have gone to sleep...They were taught..WRONGLY..that death is a sleep..
and that they..*will chose..*only to sleep..until the Last Day..by their own decieved minds...when they truelly believe..God..will sit on His throne..and judge them...how sad..
They are difficult to reach,.especially if they have..*put themselves*..into an actual death sleep.
Sometimes we have to*..bring them..to control a medium..
*and waken them..in that way.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 2 December 2010 5:14:52 PM
When we cannot reach..the earthbound spirits..*at all..
we have to bring them..*to earth life to..a circle like this
where they get understanding..*through matter...[though to many even then still only a dream..]
In one sense*..you can call this*..reincarnation,
because*..we have to*..bring them..BACK..into matter..to find themselves.
a “Master,”..as we understand it..in Theosophy,..is some big..and great mind...that focus's upon others realisation..of the good[of god]..within themselves..*as much as..in others..!
A master..is one who can master..the materialistic of matter,
can overcome matter's temptations,..one who can live a pure..and good life,
not of the self alone..and master..the conditions of life...for the betterment of all..
Learn*..the lessons of Nature;..
learn how to progress...is not the survival..of the fattest[nor fittest]
but see how even god..[good]..is in the nurture..reflected..of nature..
reflected in [the fearlessness..simple contentment...EQUALITY..
[is not a germ..as powerfull..if not more powerfull..than mans grasp on life?]
does even an insect..not fearlessly persue..one robbing..his hives honey..?
does not even a meat eater..nurture..their young..with consuming..selfless passion
I am sorry to say..that most of those..*who want to be “Masters”.on earth..fail/fall.!
It is not..they themselves..who fall,..but they become so sensitive,
so psychic,..that,..although they do not know..they are on the borderland,
yet allow..earthbound spirits step in,..
and control them.and thus..they fall...in not living..their own living
they have become..the means of serving the base spirits..greed..not need
fear hate...not love peace..
serving self..[or their haunting..other 'self'
not giving love..serving..to other..[are we not each...br-other]
We should master..*the matters of matter first..
before we try to master new ideas...
Take myself..what did I really do..that was good..:..for humanity?
Ans...You led many out of orthodoxy.
Sp...Yes,..but I only gave them..*more theory.
I could have done,..oh,so much more..if I had stayed with..my mediumship
and worked..to bring this world..and the other's..together.
I..was a medium and..I could have done a great work,..
but..I became obsessed.
I am sorry to say..that Theosophists are breaking up...
You live now..in a time when things..are breaking up;..
there is a general restlessness...All theories will go down..
and philosophy alone..will rise...[but remember there are two sides..to any philosophy]
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 2 December 2010 5:16:21 PM
Dr...There should be..more simplicity..in life.
Sp...That is a very good word to apply.
You [dr]..have found the truth...
[love god..[good]..by serving to the good..other]
You have good workers..on the other side..connected with this medium.
You have no theories,..no mysterious things,..as Theosophists have.
They think the..more mysterious..*they are,..
the greater..“Masters” they are...seen to be.
Where are they?..Why are they..what are they..become...being..?
I am sorry to say..that they..are so self-hypnotized
that their own..obsessed..imagination..lifes materialistic rewards run away with them.
One..may look back and say:..“I was Julius Caesar.”
He has probably read..some book..*about Julius Caesar..
and become so wrapped up..*in it..that..*he feels..he has lived..in that time.
Then he receives..spirit impressions..and is sure that/this..*was his former life.
there was only one..cleaopatra...yet how many believe..they are this one?
is it not strange..so few..claim the many more unknown..beings?
You can make people..*believe almost anything.
They do not build their houses on the rock of reason,..for a storm
[sudden change]..will blow them and their faiths..down.
All denominations..*have some truth...
You have heard the story of the elephant?
Of the blind men..who examined an elephant,
and each declared that an elephant was like that
part..*which he had touched..like the trunk,..the leg..or the tail.
*Every one had the truth,..
but..*none..*the whole truth.
We do not seek..for the whole truth,..
so one hangs on to..the tail,
another..to the trunk,.and so on.
Let us all join together,..
then we will find..the whole elephant,..
and we will all*..be together..in one great truth.
one great unifying..living..loving..*good truth..
beyond name..yet all names
its all good..
this one truth..is god
emmanuel..god with..[in]..us..[all]
simply love good..[the one]
by..loving..all..
one..and other..
truth that there
is a life after this.
It is a real life, not an imaginary one;
it is a life of understanding, not a life of belief.
If you only believe, you will be in darkness, with a closed door,
because you have only...belief,..not knowledge,..of the other world.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 2 December 2010 5:17:47 PM
The Bible teaches so much,..and if people would only understand it as it was really
meant, not take it literally or historically, it would be so much better.
You must understand that at the time the Bible was written the people were not as..enlightened as they are today,..and there was so much selfishness.
When the first church was formed..it was the church of the understanding..of life.. and the teaching was..to live for high thoughts..and to sacrifice self for others.
When you..study,..and study deeply,..
earth conditions have no existence for you.
Religion is often used..as a whip for ignorant people.
The leaders say:..“We want these people..*to obey us,
we want them to do..*as we tell them to do,..we want them to be slaves.”
Look back in history..and you will find..that people were easygoing,..very lazy,..did not care;..they did not care to do anything...
The women were the ones..who did the work;..they
did the farming,..for the men were too lazy.
The women..had to*..do the work..and be the slaves.
[look upon eves..oppression]
Then along came..a shrewd man..who thought,
“We will make these men..*work,”..and the
leaders got up a scheme..to scare people.
They told them that..if they did not do so and so
the devil..would get hold of them..when they die,..
and they would go to hell and..earn ETERNAL-damnation...[an out and out LIE}..
Then they painted hell..in the worst condition..they could.
They painted it..as a big oven,..burning.
There were skeletons..here and there,..and hot fire,
and the one that put people in..the fire..was the devil,
..and he put them in..lol..with his pitchfork.
That made the men wake up!
That picture..gave them..{who?]...energy,..strength and power.
They were afraid..MADE..to be afraid
they would get into that hell..when they died.
or worse lie dead..TILL god judged them..!
when god is ALL LOVING GRACE MERCY..etc
he dont judge NO-one
*he alone supports..EVEN THE MOST VILE..THEIR LIVES..!
Humanity tried to do everything possible..to escape that hell,..and the leaders were able to make the people..*do..whatever they told them.
One conceived..the idea that he wanted to be..leader,..then another wanted to be the leader,..but how could both be leaders..in one circle?
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 2 December 2010 6:04:03 PM
Then another conceived the idea..that religion would be better
if he had a little clique of..his own,..so he preached..*in his way
and called it..*whatever he pleased.
Along came another,..and he had his idea,
because..*he wanted to be leader,..so he gathered
some people into his corner and preached..*in his way.
[so too my beloved FEMALE_teachers..[previously quoted]
who KNEW BETTER...like all SHOULD have known...!
they were like swedenberg...but had feet of clay
god has sent man y messengers...but their messages...contain many truths..*but also..have been poluted..by human YEARNING..as revealed previously..!
So we had one group here..and another there.
One wanted to rule the world,..but along..came..another sect,
with yet further reveal...[really good stuff...but then corrupted..by m,aking them as god..[we ONLY NED ONE GOOD..[god]..
and they called themselves..by a new name,
and felt..they wanted to rule...They fought EVEN..fought..name called..and had wars.
Then followed other religions..and all had adherents.
Each tried to be..a greater leader..than the other.
Some were more crabbed,..but all tried..to get the people together
and hold them,,,some by the picture..I spoke of regarding hell...others via eternal damnation..or the lie of judgment/reserction.."day"
They could not get them together
much..in the beginning..unless they held them..*in bondage/fear or adoration or new ideas.
That has gone on..for years and years,..but now there has come
a new era..and all will be at least partially broken up...
but more ..BNECOME UNITED..There will be*..a different condition.
atonement...[AT one MEANT]..
Nowadays some of the people believe..and some do not,
and some think they do not want to have anything to do..with religion,
and so..we have a state of turmoil.
They are all..fighting and fighting.
Each one fights..to see if he cannot get the best of others.
The idea/is..to get all the money/power/glory..you can,
all the powerfull supporters..authority..you can,..and then be the leader...
People want to get..all they can..*now,
as this is the time..*to make money,..and they say they will make it..*regardless of the method...They have become so selfish..in their money-making..that
their true citizenship..of us all..
being the children..OF THE ONE FATHER..is lost.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 2 December 2010 6:06:50 PM
Things are very different now..from what they were when I was a boy.
It will be very hard for some time..because capital wants to rule,
and labor wants to rule,..so we have friction and trouble.
[now it seems..the capitalists..have won]
and the poor workman..WORTHY OF HIS HIRE..gets cents/in the dollar
and gibberish ..n the church of athiestic..disbelief..[or belief in..faith in...lol,...science..[evil=loot-ion]
The churches..are trying to make people..go to church,
but..if they continue to keep people down..there will,..in time,
be a war..that will be terrible,..because holding people down..kills their..better nature..god has induced..*into each of them.
People get all they can..from each other.
The spirit of the day..is to get all you can,..
no matter how..you get it.
[greed/CREED is god..lol]
When..I lived..on this earth-plane..it was an honor to do your work well..and to be faithful..to your employer/friends...your trade..and your spouse/children..
Now..if the employer does not like..*your work..he can easily get another/man..to take your place.
How can you expect..*such people to feel right..when they pass out of..their bodies?
they seek to further..
that they allready..think..*they know..]
They leave..their bodies..and take possession..*of..
any-one..they can reach..[take occupation of]..on the earth plane,
and therefore..we have insanity..endlessly repeating horrors..and all kinds of suicides/negativity....etc
They had war..for four years..and killed thousands..and thousands of people...These..left the world they loved..*filled with*hatred..
and they come back*..and try to crush*..still../their enemies..now peace partners..lol..still living..in this world...[racism]
The time..will come..when conditions..will be very serious,
but after that..things will*be better...[but not till..we try harder]
People will reach..a better understanding..and will learn through sorrows,..and try to..*comprehend..the mystery of life...and AFTER living..away from sorrow..KNOWING,..its not right..
There will be..great inventions..which will-be./.remarkable.[recall this was wrote..post ww1]
At this*time..people..are being crushed,
but..after a while..there will be an awakening.
It..*is said,..“The mills..of the gods...grind slowly,
but they grind..exceeding fine,”..
and that is..*what the world..is going through..now.
The time will come..when people..will know
that we are not dead..[morte]..when we pass to the spirit-side..of life,..but..*that we live...ETERNALLY..
We are trying..to help..and guide..you all,
and we hope..to have more sincerity..among ALL..the people.
Death will only be..like a journey*
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 2 December 2010 6:14:36 PM
Selfishness..will then be done away with..and people will learn to live..and love..as Christ/taught them...
They will not live a life..*of belief..
as they have during..the past centuries.
In the future,..people..*will know*..that
if they do not do right..they will suffer for it...later
They have already..taken away..most of the pictures/of burning hell..and therefore..the churches..no longer have..the control..of the people..they had..in the past.
When ministers..teach the truth..*regarding the life_after?this
they..will have their churches full...ALL LOVING/serving..OTHER..
People will then..go to church..to worship..good/god..and will not only believe...We all make mistakes..and we should*..learn through those mistakes.
God wants us to be wise..and understand Him.
It is not that God,..*made a mistake,,and did not know..what He was doing.
He has given you power;..you..*are a part of Him,..and after you learn to understand God..*in all His wonders*..you will be*..in the happy state..that we call..“Bliss,”
and..that is “Heaven.”..
You have to search,,for goiod..for that understanding.
People..should gather together..and unite and be in harmony.
Always selfishness and jealousy..TRY..to creep in...*Let us try to conquer them..*and put them away,..*and have love..in our..hearts...{EVERY-ONE.../..THING]
If only people would understand..what love means.
They talk it..with their lips..but..they never practice it.
I had a very hard time..of it..when I was on earth,
because I believed..in a life after this..and preached it.
They called me crazy;..they said..I would go to hell.
They said..there is no such thing..as the spirit world;
said..when we die..we go to the grave..and stay there
until the last_day...[this jesus rebutted..by rising from HIS..'grave'
Then..we shall be awakened INSTANTLY..
edited out their error
you all heard it before..*
Isn't that terrible?
They say God..made them all,
some to be condemned..and others to go to glory!
Imagine some going to Heaven
and seeing the others..lie in hell and burn!
[WHO COULD THIS MAKE HAPPY..only demons]
I had many struggles.and troubles in life.
Of course I was a physician,..but I also practiced magnetism,..and I taught the truth of the life hereafte..because I felt..it was my
duty
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 2 December 2010 6:26:52 PM
I did all I could..to build up..the church..of Spiritualism,..and I worked very hard...[for others]..
I..*wanted to preach..the philosophy..of spirit return,..not phenomena*.
Do all you can..to open the door to..the unseen,
but always*..with understanding of the governing laws.
[fearlessness..+..power of love]
The average Spiritualists..of today have not even studied the philosophy/of life..and do not know the laws that govern between this world..and the next.
Spiritualism..is the Science,,*of the Bible
The Bible says:“The letter killeth..but the spirit..giveth life.”
If you understand the Bible,..{spiritually]....it becomes a grand-book.
Many go..blindly to church..only believing,
and have no knowledge..or understanding.
preachers..will preach the true gospel..*of God,
not of the Savior,..*but God,..the Divine,[LIFE PRINCIPLE]
the Life..in each of us.
We must understand God better..and learn to know Him,
BY HIS CREATIONS..as we have the power[gnosis/knowlege]..to do.
Do not let us condemn..*anything through ignorance,..by selfishness..and jealousy.
These,,we should crush..under our feet..and we should live/up..to the best of our Love,..Wisdom..and Understanding of our Maker.
How few people..*understand life..or God in the right way.
Instead of believing*in God..and using His name..so much,
and calling on Him..*to do what..*they should do..*themselves,..
they should realize./.that God is Love..and the Light of Understanding...the nature..and the NURTURE..sustaining lifes EVERY breath..
How can we live..and not understand Him..in the right way?
If people would only understand God..as it was meant/they should understand Him..they would not have..so much selfishness,..worry or fighting,..because people would have more-love..for each other and not think so much..*of self.
They would worship God,..not money.
People think..*[wrongly]..the more money..they have..the happier they will be.
They do not know,,*what happiness means;
they do not know what*..true happiness is.
They think they..*will be happy..*when
they have plenty..of money to get..*things,
things to eat,..and things..*to drink,..and
things..to make them..live a life..[often..causing of injury to the body...when we obese..[bulk-up..our obsesion]
These are..the things..most thought of..at present.
In time,..however,..the world*..will understand God.
The churches..*will soon waken..and
teach..*the true gospel of God,..
teach people..not to believe..*but to understand,..
to understand..*His wondrous works,IS ..to understand Him..and how He manifests..*in everything.
Every flower..is..*a manifestation..of God.
The odor..of a beautiful flower..is God,..
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 2 December 2010 6:36:37 PM
DreamOn:nice story, care to go into more details why you were unwell? substances, accident, emotions?
i suppose i can say i am 'born again' i'm not sure... after the last NDE, which I did to myself in my own head(no substance abuse involve, just uncertainty, and not being able to understand why these pll who once meant so much to me could behave how they did, i didn't understand then, but now i understand completely)
each day for me is like, u know how they go about, when you're close to death and you see your life flashing before your eyes. each day all these memories come back so clearly to me now. and some of these memories come more then others. my senses are much more perked that i feel so observant and pick up on every little movement, emotion, detect a lot in human behavior especially. a soul(i'd like to refer to him as penguin, nemesis of the joker) had quite put me off commenting here(doesn't mean i can't read still).
hv not had much time tho, more and more things i hv to deal with, a third child to look after. my wrong decision of being kind now i have to pay the price. he and she are still at it, he is bad mouthing me to all the gov depts here and she is stalking the s*i* out of me, she is an ex member of the force. i hv been blocking her where i can but she still emails me. i don't know wat to do.. i ignore. CSO yest came and told me that he is telling them to becareful with me :(. I hv 2 weeks with DIAC, so much work.. tbc
Posted by jinny, Friday, 3 December 2010 5:45:33 AM
hv so many comm to go to and lodge complaints now. now enough time, too many things and priority is securing out future.
they are watching my every move. i know from checking the stats on my websites. now i hv blocked everyone out. had a busy week with setting up my business and this so called manager at a very well known airline here sure pissed me off! on my fb i said he needs to go bk to uni and learn some business and ethics! thx to him i had to fork out 1k for his unprofessionalism. no worries, his subordinates complained about him too..no wonder some ppl don't like to go to work. they actually pleaded wt me to complain about him, which i hv to syd head office(more work there for me now).anyway, it'll be better for them as mrdick is new n very cocky n no one likes him. so i shall take it upon my duty to teach him a nice lesson:)hopefully he will conduct himself with more dignity and not lose his job.
help who ever i can, too many around me right now and when i choose to spend time with them sometimes i have not enough time to work on my own things. i don't want anyone to know what i am going through coz i so dislike being a whiner. so get plenty of smiles everyday n making more friends. not happy with the kids and my future being under control by DIAC tho. fingers cross, i shall be quite busy the next 2 weeks.
Posted by jinny, Friday, 3 December 2010 5:54:56 AM
UOG:"Why did you not give me..a little credit for the help I gave you?”hv you not realize by now that our world is controlled by greed, power, selfishness, jealousy, revenge. we know better, so we forgive.
am sorry but whenever you refer to the bible, i cannot quote u, as the bible has not existed for that long. i do believe there is a lot of good teachings in there but still strongly oppose to religion, as it is a big reason why we hv all split up, and are fighting amongst ourselves.
i wonder if equality will ever be achievable in our lifetime. just by observing OLO, i see they still choose to argue and pick on each other, one thinking they are better then the other. dat they are right and someone else is wrong. most of them hv no peace in themselves. the modern world diseases has influence many.
everything dat has happened in history, has happened for a reason. the reason is today, the reason is now, for our future. the growing number of the ones dat are fighting bk is proof enough. not everyone is just sitting bk and watching the show...
the words god, religion, believes, countries, politics, rules, laws, how long hv these existed? before this, it was all spirits, language was not dat developed then. they trusted their instincts as that is all they knew. there was no outside influence to corrupt them.
Posted by jinny, Friday, 3 December 2010 6:25:44 AM
UOG: i wish you would not talk about death and suicide the way you do. we are all given one life, in this body, this mechanical vehicle that is controlled by our brain. when our body is worned out, sick, then our spirit leaves it, and usually gets into another form. the memories hardly ever stays, but then again, how can we feel deja vu? i've experience that too many times. you are only half way through your life, and still hv a long way to go.. it is a growing and learning process. forgive those who have hurt you, and know that you are better then them. u seem to know your purpose here, but there are better ways to practice that.
the unlucky unsettled spirits are the ones lingering around, haunting people. i haven't figure dat one out yet. just heard a really good ghost story about this spirit who has lingered around with the same person since young.. also other spirits is death valleys, still stuck there.. unable to move on to the other realm. they are awaiting justice. for whatever has happened to them.
there are so many good spirits i see everyday, in all forms, the humans are the ones that are the most corrupted. mostly lost as we agree. i see them, i feel their pain, but how much can i do? i think i am doing enough.. i still hv many years to keep helping those in need of guidance, and i can only help those who wants to be help.
btw: i still want my phone bk! it's been taken since my first post n they are coming up with ridiculous reasons why they can't give it bk! when i hv more time i am heading to CMC.. apology needed. hhrmmpphh! wat nonsense!
Posted by jinny, Friday, 3 December 2010 6:37:51 AM
jinny..the bible has been arround..long enough
ok..not in english..till thomas bacon translated it
into its current format
but long enough..to be a teaching-aid..
along with so many..other texts..
its used by those..*in control..to keep control
thats enough reason..to take it seriously
anyhow..back to finnishing off..
the last..of the quotes
continued from
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4008&page=0
Ask God to reveal Himself to you....and THROUGH you
Ask God..to manifest Himself..in your heart..and your WORKS
not just your words
comming via unclean lips
..before you leave the broad road..of Experience
for the narrow road of Reason...[love grace/mercy..to all..even thyself]
When you get..on the narrow road..[living/loving/grace/mercy..FOR-givness..
you will feel happy..and contented,..and you come into the Glory of the Infinite.
There all is beautiful...There is no selfishness. The narrow
road is only for Love, Kindness, Knowledge and Wisdom of God.
you can only get
by giving...it begins..with FOR-giving..
The Christians..buddists..athiests..mahamoudians..even jew
look for God outside;..
WHEN..we need look for God..within ourselves..FIRST..
Within ourselves..not with-out..
we look for the Great Spirit...not..with the eye of the material
but the minds eye..of love for other...within us all
We do not have NEED for..so many creeds and dogmas,
and..so many religious speculations...We do not have to speculate..*for we now;know...
One gets the truth..in one way,
another gets it via one another,..
and so they go,..
all divided,..nothing definite...nor definative..
People must change,..for they have had enough..*of dogmas.
Let them get more of their..Wisdom direct from the good of God,
on the narrow road of Reason,season..and compassion..and find themselves.
via our OTHER selves..
When they have
found themselves,to be in our sameness
they will have no sorrow and no unhappiness,about our differences
because they will be happy with finding more about how infinite is the Love of God.
When we love God..they will love others...see our differences,
seing that all comes from good of god.. for they cannot keep it..to themselves.
good so loves to share
You want your friends..to love God with you.
You want them to see the glory of God...within you as you see him within them
We never saw such a thing..as you Christians call The Devil;
Posted by one under god, Friday, 3 December 2010 5:34:32 PM
Nor have those..in the dark realms..we call it Selfishness and Ignorance.
darkness where god gives only light..fear where good gives only love..
war where god only peace..death where god gives only life..
Find yourself now...If you do not
you will have to stop here,..stop there..and continually stop..everywhere.
When you have..all that beautiful/good/true.. knowledge all is happiness.
You must experience this feeling
*within yourself..before you can teach it to others.
This is the Religion of the Eskimos.
I was a Medicine Man on earth, and I was also a teacher.
Eskimo Movilia was the one that came to me and wanted me to say to you what he
wishes to say.
I have only repeated what he..great spirit]..told me to say.
We have no wars. We try to live as near Nature and the Great Spirit as we can. We
are not a pretty people, and we do not have so much changing as you do in dress. We
have our beauty within us. Prettiness is only skin deep, so we do not care.
The Christian has to be awakened through suffering and trouble.
Then you begin to look for what is called the truth.
You think that Jesus died for your sins.
He could not,
and He did not.
The sins that are committed now
are many more than when He was on earth.
Many things have been discovered that were not known then,
so how could he die for something that was not known?..I think that is very strange.
God made us..and He knew.When you find Good within..yourself you cannot..do wrong..
bring..his good out.
You sing..and are happy,..and happiness is something..we all want.
We had..one man come to us..and preach...
He..took away with him..one of..the best men
we..had..and tried to bring him up..with your Christians.
He returned to us..a ruined man,,full of diseases.
We do not have such diseases,..because we live up to
the highest..laws of Nature.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 3 December 2010 5:38:25 PM
He came back..and told us..how you,
who call yourselves Christians,..live.
We all felt so horrified..to know that the Christians..were so diseased..in mind and body.
That is what the Christians did..*for our fellow Eskimo.
So I felt..that I wanted to come
and tell you of our religion.
Let all in this little circle..find themselves..*and God,
because you..and God are one...
Here is a big light,..GOD..
which stands in the center.
Around it are smaller-lights..
but..each a reflection *..of the ONLY light
but they are all..a part of the same material..as the larger LIGHT.
You take the
smaller lights and light them from the big one,
then you have the spark of Life.
Can you then understand..what is meant by being a spark of God?
When you die, as the Christians call it,
you only blow out the candle...not its heat/love..works and will
The tallow has
gone back to the elements.
Find God within you,..then you have Power,..Strength and Love,
and are learning to get..logic..Wisdom.
Then you have learned to get strength..and conquer material,
to conquer..sorrow/fear..and sickness.
You cannot be sick..for you have the light of understanding,
and the more..understanding you have..the more strength you have..feel from within you.
All of you here..are a part of that Universal Light,
and you must..*all have that light from the MAIN light/candle.
Do not worship the mirror..,but worship the Light of Understanding and Good..of god.
Do not let anyone come..in your way..and make you think..you cannot reach God.
The Christians do not truly understand God.
They must have somebody to talk for them - their “Savior,” as they call him.
They worship Christ.
“Christ” is Truth, and when you find Truth,..that is “Christ.” Worship God.
When you..*understand..how to worship Good
you will have strength and power,..and success will be yours.
We say: “Find Good..within your heart
and all else will come to YOU.”
We do not believe, we know.
Have the true knowledge of God
in your heart..and you will be..happy.
Good* Night.
i could ramble on..but you each need to find
your own good..living loving truth..WITHIN
Posted by one under god, Friday, 3 December 2010 5:41:57 PM
i have learned to fish..just as other have before thee
just as ye..must learn the way of..the fisher..of men
not a fisure..of mankind..nor a fisure of god
knowing not one speck of darkness shall remain..in the end
all sin shall be cleaned...not only forgiven...but forgotten
but only by working..to the good..better...
not for thyself..but for other
you are serving all..in serving the only..[one]..good...
for all good comes from..and returns to the only good[god]..
i keep thinking..it is done
but it cant be..till we all get it..
as much as we give it...
it must be a gift of value
bringing good fruits
but knowing..its all good
wether giving or getting..by the same coin...
or better coin..is the coin given isnt true...good
oh heck..
it is done
GOOD/bye..*
Posted by one under god, Friday, 3 December 2010 6:07:30 PM
hi jinny..here is a little song..i wrote..edited
ok..more..a play on words
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4008#103773
here..is the rest
You do not need..to go anywhere;..BUT..you must open the door..of your own heart...Find God..and find that you are a part..*of that wonderful power.
When you open..the door you have..power..and strength..and health..you have everything*..and the strength of God's power..will flow-in..and you will*do..*wonderful things.
Christ..was a great teacher,
but..do people carry out His teachings?
They believe,..but*..they do not do..what he told them...to do..
Each and EVERY-one..is a part of God,
and when you do..what you can..*for others..you love God..and
worship Him*..*by so doing...good..to others..
The people..and the churches/mosques.sinnergogs..should unite
as one power*..and help..*each other..to help others..and try to conquer selfishness...BY EGSAMPLE..
Spread the truth;..find God within yourself..and open your heart..*to Him through seeking ever more..*understanding...ONLY..You have power so..far as..your mind has developed.
If you..try to develop..for more power
*you will have it.
Widen out..and try to know God's/wonderful mystery..*in the world.
Let us find God..*in Nature,..*everywhere.
Look at a snowflake..*it is wonderful.
It has..*many beautiful designs...Who made it?
It is so natural..*that people do not realize..its,,UNSEEN..*beauty. They say:..“It is just snow.”
When individuals..step-out/of..the physical/material
the worst hindrance..they have..is unmet/unrealistic..*desire,..which WE must be overcome.
Creeds..and dogmas..hold them down;
they are not free.
They/are,..as Jesus said,
bond servants,..and BY..their own binding desires..will be held down.
They think,..when they pass..*to the spirit side of life
they will go to Heaven...Stop to think..where is Heaven?
Christ said..the kingdom of Heaven
is within you..*God dwells..*there.
The majority believe..that what you call death..is a long sleep,..and many..who have not/learned..the lesson of life{eternal]..go to sleep.
Some will sleep..for years..*because they are selfhypnotized.
They think:..“I am dying,..and I will go..to the grave
and stay there*..until the Last Day,..and then*..will be awakened.”
BUT WE MUST WAKE OURSELVES..up now*
Others..pass to the spirit-side..*of life
believing..in certain creeds..and dogmas.
They go to..*certain places in the earth-sphere
where they sing..and pray..and do not progress any further.
They go over..and over..*the same things.
It is only mouth_prayers..[rote]..they offer.
Sometimes..they remain in that sphere..for years...generations..
Sometimes..they go about..in the earth sphere
and try to convert people...by haunting them
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 4 December 2010 4:23:25 PM
..*They attach themselves..to some mortal..and that mortal will be called insane..*on religion.,..or even ANTI-religeon..
What is done..then
The victims*..are sent..to the insane asylum
and left there..for the rest of their lives.
They will*not be free..from the obsessing spirits..until the body dies...Then those spirits..*often attach themselves..to other mortals.
Let us..understand the truth.
Let us do..what we can to help ourselves..*and others
to a..more true..*understanding of God...Worship Him
everywhere...in every good thing..
Let us look at the sky..and see the beautiful planets..and stars.
If this earth disappeared tomorrow..the suns and stars/..in the heavens would*be..*just the same.
This earth..would not be missed.
Do you think God..sits on this earth..and controls nothing more?
No,..let us think,..seek to and understand..and study.
Let us all worship..Good..in His whole Universe.
There is Life..*everywhere.
The grandeur*..of the heavens cannot be described
the wonderful stars..in the heavens,..the planets..and all the Universe.
Look..through the microscope..and you will find you are..in another world.
You will see..*germs,
one or two of which..will kill..EVEN..a big body.
They are all under one power..God.
Some say,..Why did God make all these germs..
to torment humanity?
They must be,..in order to have you realize
and think and overcome...When you have trouble..and try to overcome..you become strong.
A child that is protected..constantly by its parents..and sent into the country..grows up in a fine atmosphere...He is good*..because he has had no temptation.
But he has no knowledge*..that he is good.
A boy from the slums,.who has had trouble,..will more readily develop into a man who..*can conquer..than the one who has been protected.
He will be strong..and able to help others.
Let us find ourselves...Let us all concentrate
and try to help..and give light to every one..we find needing help.
Worship God..in His true sense
and not..*in a little narrow belief.
Let us add knowledge
to our faith.
You are the bond servants..that Christ speaks of.
He was a wonderful teacher,..but you
believe in His blood..and not in his teachings.
Who killed Christ?
The very ones..that belonged to the church.
They did not believe in*..Him.
Christ is an allegory; ..*He is the Truth
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 4 December 2010 4:30:15 PM
“Christ”..is born within you..when you have..*attained understanding.
Then you will see,..and know,..look/find..and realize God.
When you pass to the spirit/side of life..you will have knowledge..and you will go into*..a world that is far more beautiful than this...You can then reach..the spirit world...in the proper time..by the RIGHT path..[by..*living your life well]
You do not need to call it..“spirit world”
some object to..that name...lable
Every-one..*is a spiritual being.
You may..call it the..“Higher Sphere”;..or..
you may call it “Heaven” -but
..*Heaven..is not a place.
If you think..you are going to Heaven
you will have to take it..*with you,..because it is a condition.
When..you have suffering..you are in hell,
and many have a hard struggle to get..out of..that hell.
When you are happy you are in Heaven..
the Heaven..*within yourself...just as god/
..good is within you..right now..
You have trouble..and sickness,..but everything is
to help you..*learn to find..it all..for yourself.
When you have found yourself,..within yourself,
you can conquer all conditions..or issues..comming..from without.
You say:..“I am very sick.”
thus..You attract those forces unto you,..and after a while your..*own mind..has created your condition.
You are a part of God,..the wonderful Creator.
What you think,..*you create.
You have power..*and you can use it..for good or evil.
If you have trouble,..disease,..or suffering,
and..*have not learned to throw it off,..you hold it..*in/to yourself.
Then you become sensitive,..and after a time
you draw influences around you,..and these in turn
throw disease..and bad thoughts..*on you,..and you are bound.
First,..find God
*within yourself,..then..you will have power to rise.
Trouble,..sorrow,..sickness,..obsession,
*everything can be conquered..*after you find the truth;
Christ is born,.*in you..and you can conquer.
When you have found the-Christ..within yourself
you will still have struggles...
Others will say:..“Do this,..or this,
and you will be wise.”
Some will say:..“Overcome the world -overcome.”
There will be a cross,
because there is a tempter.
You have found yourself,..but the/tempter
speaks to you:..“Do this!
Come with me..and I will show you..the world and happiness.”
Here is the cross..which shows Christ..*is born within you.
Jesus, the Son of Man,..must*be crucified
on the cross..*of matter/material..that Christ-enlightenment..*may live...
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 4 December 2010 4:39:15 PM
When you have reached that stage you see everything as good. You cannot see bad.
When you look back you see that what you thought bad only taught you to understand
God. Should you condemn it? No.
If you had not had that experience you would not be
where you are now.
You must teach others and help them to rise with you.
If every one would do that the
world would be happier.
Let us send out thoughts that all may conquer and that they may understand.
You
should strive to gain knowledge of God's finer forces.
Find yourself and you will find
God.
Before I go I want to say that we have a room full of earthbound spirits.
I often talk to
them to help them.
This group we have here tonight are spirits we could not waken
because they could not see us.
A spirit in ignorance cannot see an intelligent spirit.
So we have to bring them here.
I talk through this body and they hear me, but they
could not hear me from the spirit side of life because they had no understanding.
Every time you have circles here we have more spirits present than we have mortals.
When they see an earthbound spirit control they learn their first lesson, and then we can
take them to the spirit side of life and help them find happiness.
We are never idle in the spirit world. Mind cannot stand still.
God's wonderful
thoughts go on. Planets do not stand still.
All is development. Mind is never inactive so
long as one tries to develop.
This is Dr. Root.
Good Night.
ok lord
is it done...now?
who knows
there allways seems..*the next stage
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
please?
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 4 December 2010 4:40:40 PM
With the topic in mind and Graham's wishes visa
OLO I shall have to disincline your request for further and better particulars *Jinny,* but if it should come to pass that an "appropriate" thread emerges, I should be happy to honour your request at that time.
;-)
I am wondering *OUG* has it ever been true that some Eskimos practiced the offering of their wives to Honoured Guests in your knowledge?
Posted by DreamOn, Saturday, 4 December 2010 10:05:38 PM
UOG: LMAO! I haven't even had the chabce to go through the updates on this thread but I am having such a laugh..
Yes, here's a little song I wrote, and I'm goinna sing it note for note. Don't worry, be happy! My dad used to sing that to me when I was growing up. Now the kids know it and we sometimes sing it together.
Hearts will get broken, that's why we hv one.. But if u don't open ur heart, u will loose out on all the love. I was always told by dad I have an abnormally large heart(thus more exercise needed), so however damage it is, I still love. Past is the past. I hv only allowed less then a handful of ppl in my life, n shared wt them very little about me, n they feel me.. And they care. And I care. And I WANT WORLD PEACE!
I am allowed to wish am I not. Maybe one day, I hope one day it will happen as too many spirits hv/are suffering. That's just my opinion tho.
Posted by jinny, Saturday, 4 December 2010 10:49:53 PM
Eskimos are a good study. They survive mainly on fat content from the ocean. They r healthy as, no medication needed mostly. I personally don't think they recognize the word stress. Scientist study them, write report of what *they* think. These ppl, with papers, whom u lost souls base ur theories on...
Why should u believe what someone else believe? U are ur own person, u are given this life, u hv a brain, use it wisely. Try not to get caught up it wat others think of u, all that matters it what you think of yourself. Misguided ghost we are indeed at times.
UOG: god is a fragment of a creation of our minds. I am not going to debate u on ur believes. We are entitled to believe as we choose. There is no right religion. There is only us. We play out role in our lifetime. U hv done a great job as I think u hv shown some the light. I am sorry u are struggling wt ur questions tho. It is very simple, don't complicate it.
Posted by jinny, Saturday, 4 December 2010 11:08:21 PM
UOG: I hv a question. Which I hv already question a few time, n not hv a good answer. How the toot do I get my beloved phone bk?! There are a few elderly ppl here dat dreams about us(this came out of their mouths, not mine). I just want to let them know we are ok, but 'they' don't want to return it. They break their own laws. I hv my pink piece of paper, the evidence I hv when they took my love away. They can't hold it for more then 28 days.. How long has it been since my first post here? More then 28 days. I look at that place every other day. I get the s*@*#. But I understand they r/were only doing their job, n sad to say, the so call law enforcement does not know any better but to be controlled by their understanding n views on life.
Well, they still owe me one big apology.. N I will work to get it :)
Hahaha.. Do me wrong, never... I'm too smart to let it go unpunished.
Ps: what profanity?hello?
Ok, I hv removed the '?' now can I post already??
Oh great! Still profanity.. Come on.. Gawd!
Posted by jinny, Saturday, 4 December 2010 11:28:35 PM
My spirit is strong. It might be new, but I will do wat I can do while I am here.
I hv always been referred to others on how I look, who I am
Yes, because I chose to live this life the way I do, I will always get subjected to the misery. Package deal.
There r angels that waks amongst us. I hv seen many just in a few months. It is complicated to explain, I see this. To put it in words on a website.. Now that for me is a challenge.
These angels, as they were born to be, did not understand their purpose here, once. They all hv similar track records, because they didn't understand.
I do, n I know, they get so much more joy helping others.. That is why we live amongst them... How bout newS that there might be a Solution, leave it uup to the scientist. Put our lives and place a bet on that. Hope it strikes! A gold mine...
Posted by jinny, Sunday, 5 December 2010 1:04:50 AM
dreamon..we come in all shapes..sizes and desires
where there is no law..the main rule..*is survival
once we move beyond..[evolve]..the basic of surviving
then we can find time..for leasure and other things
kinship..is and essential...after survival
http://pubs.aina.ucalgary.ca/arctic/Arctic23-1-24.pdf
there are many sources..of info...as much as there is type of person
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2066/do-eskimo-men-lend-their-wives-to-strangers
the main thing being dont judge..till we walk in their shoes
lest we forget..rape is a wepeon of war...and sex does calm the savage beast..
anyhow..jinny
i would go to the..dept of public procicution
the big glass building..across the street of the brisbane town-hall
when heading to the roma street railway...and nearer to the river
[if seeking the return of your property
hasnt*..occured via the local police station]
they should have returned it by now
if both of these fail
then get into contact with the ombudsman
then the cjc...then the media
dont give-up
remain nice..as they have cameras everywhere
be firm...and dont loose it..your in the right
[its the weakest argument..that needs resort to vile]
your right...so keep it nice..but firm
allways ask to talk to their boss
if they ask whats it about
say i want my property returned
if they say more details
then say can you fix it,,,now
if not
please let me talk to your boss
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 5 December 2010 7:42:38 AM
Yes, I know that song. .. Curious. ..
..
I wonder if there is any "truth" in the old axiom:
" ... for as it is above, so it is below, as it is within, so shall it manifest without ... "
So, you may to consider negotiating for Peace within yourSelf *Jinny* Don't immerse yourSelf too much in all this legal and beaurocratic sh!t. Stay healthy.
..
Maybe just an hour a day by doing something like a chronology of significant events and issues.
..
Let the record show *Jinny* as a focused and disciplined individual who cares for family number one.
..
Forget your phone, other than to incorporate the relevant events in your chronology. It is obviously difficult to comment not being aware of the facts, but if there is a charge, or one pending, and the prosecutor intends to use your phone in evidence, then it is unlikely that you will be getting your phone back anytime soon.
..
Oh,a word of caution. Sometimes the most destructive thing can be to devote yourSelf Heart & Soul to a no win situation. Right or wrong often doesn't come into it you know? Only the prevailing law and the evidence that has been collected to substantiate a charge in regards to an alleged breach of same.
Again, re Legal Aid, who in my experience always provide a written document outlining their reasons for not providing support, if they declined on the grounds that your case has insufficient merit, then you would be wise to consider that in relation to what you know and how you choose to proceed.
Be aware that your current conduct has the potential to influence proceedings one way or the other, as everything relevant up to the day of judgment may be considered, if that is relevant to your circumstances, not just what has already transpired.
..
I wonder if *OUG* would care to channel the "Collective Spirit" that oppresses you, and see if we can't get some "Spirit Intelligence" working for us in *Jinni's* favour.
Posted by DreamOn, Sunday, 5 December 2010 11:08:43 AM
Thanks a lot u 2. I only hv this much time n weekend are about the kids having fun. They're at this party n pigging out on junk food. Bleh. Don't like it but I know I need to let them be kids.. Sigh. Tis a free party too! Yippee! Can't believe how much rain there is.
Umm.. Where should I start. I don't know u'll but I do know some of u know each other well. The gossip going around is...questionable
Omg! I'm letting them drink pepsimax! Wat a sin!
Legal aid is only helping wt my first thread, my second application got rejected due to circumstances, Mr.ombudsman suggested legal services? Something like dat, I'm out so I'm not sure, already looked it up. First thing next week is DIAC, then my business, no time, so much to do, only one me :(
I will try to go to the big glass building u speak about. Also cmc. I know the phone is not dat much of a biggy, but there is data there that I need for DIAC. Btw, three mobile is crap compared to voda. I used voda for 2 yrs n no problem. 3's so argh, waste so mch of my time, but they hv send me a free phone, it's a good one too! N my newer more high tech one I should receive in a few weeks! Yippee :)
Posted by jinny, Sunday, 5 December 2010 2:25:50 PM
Dis is why I didn't wanna tell. I dun like ppl worrying. Same as what I tell my parents. We are all healthy n happy. Dat's all u need to know for now. My spiderboy, butterfly girl, and flowerpower(me), the three muskerteers, all for one, and one for all! Haha, face painting :)
UOG: I am my own boss, how?
Media I'm trying to avoid, already too many stalkers n finding it hard to lay low. It's good tho, I am slowly n very carefully choosing my new friends. They are good with the kids, n the kids are happier. Only on weekends tho, I hv too much work on weekdays n cannot hv distractions.
I need to get DIAC settled, then I can concentrate on the business. Fingers crossed, I might hv help wt that soon. Yippeee!
Yes, good song! I am singing it wt the kids now! :)
Posted by jinny, Sunday, 5 December 2010 2:35:08 PM
just for the records, i am not self destructive. everything happens for a reason, i see it so clearly, why i had to go through what i went through, this is my purpose. my dad pass on a lot of his knowledge to me, he always had high hopes for me, and i have both my parents trade. they complaint about me helping others but they themselves do it all the time, so how can i not? i spend my nights counselling lost souls, just this week, at least 3 of them have changed, for the better. one was in so much hurt he lost hope, now he is going to switch jobs, and try to stop hurting, and work towards his dreams. they come to me with their problems, and i have to help, it is my nature.
hey UOG, i've got another question. i bought a piece of Bertocchi Gold ham. 5.359kgs, paid 4.99/kg. it only expires feb next year if i'm not mistaken. i already butchered in n froze most of it. how's dat for being stingy but still having the good stuff :)
hopefully we will be able to celebrate x'mas here i've already got a few invites but i think i just want to be at home with the kids. maybe invite my new friends and throw a party if everything goes in my favour.
here's a saying i just took a pic of. it's a good saying(specially for those potheads out there, but they live in a fantasy world, coz reality it's good to them): "your mind is a garden, your thoughts are the seeds, you can either grow flowers, or you can grow weeds" do you get that? i do. it's so true.
Posted by jinny, Sunday, 5 December 2010 3:58:01 PM
ham lasts just fine...and at a good price
freezing it usally isnt the best way
[the water gets out]...and it can get dry and chewy]
so i usually take it out the day before..leave it in the fridge..then eat it next day]
i usually put..the fat and skin..[chopped up]..into the deep-dry
it tops up the fat..in the fryer..
and the cooked bits..are great to add to stew and soups...if you start the cooking..with them
i said talk to their boss
you allways were..your own boss
[its you..that make your life choices]
yes..thats a good saying
i wish i could channle the justice spirits..as dream on suggests
but i just been channeling them ..for my courtcase/appeal..
as usual..all they do is quote previous...judgments
then accord an application..[not made]..for costs to the prostituter
they call the judge issueing two orders on the same charge...as an accident..by book keepers...and...blah..blah..blah..
imm over it...its a rigged game
unless they go for costs
that..will energize me to go to the higher courts
so im hoping they get greedy..for now im just over..the farce that passes as justice..its a grand scam...where they repeat yesterdays mistakes..unthinkingly...thus dont need to think today..
good suggestion..to not be giving
heart and soul to faulse hope...justice is blind it cant see hope
buty it can smell fear...other than that..its like the 3 monk-keys..a system to protect their own..to serve the master..and his corperations
but i need to love them all the same
they have taught me so much about human fear
they fear the poor so much..they really think they need police-us into early graves...but from there we got eternity..to obesss them back..or move on..with the higher things...that are much more important
jinny allready is gaining many clues
as to what..these important things..really are
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 5 December 2010 4:36:04 PM
Uuuhh good stuff UOG! Ur making me salivate ;p. Pork rind is better, well not healthy but it's just to die for! I rather hv dat then to put cardboard in my mouth. Yuck! I agree the skin n fat taste better after it is heated. Wasted if cold.
I don't know wat ur fight is still, but u are true to urself, and intelligent as u are, they r not. It was an accident. They don't get it. M sorry u are subjected to their injustice, n I am quite sure, u will win ur fight. U know too much to not. So dun worry bout it.
Ur spirit, is strong, u are very very aware of reality. Hey, nice guys finish last.. But they do end up wt great thing so I hv known personally. Watever happened before, has happened, let it go, let them go. U hv realize wat u did wrong before, this time do it right.
Try to focus on wat is the most important for u right now, n dedicate ur energy on dat for now. We will always be here, reading ur good advice, it's a good distraction, but still a distraction. I wish u well, n best of luck(I say luck has nothing to do wt it, pure determination does).
The laws were created because of someone else's mistakes. I know many personally who hv spend yrs in jail for a mistake they did not mean to commit. It is unfair, but it is life. We will constantly get judged by others. It is how it is...
Posted by jinny, Sunday, 5 December 2010 4:50:56 PM
