its no use...complaining..its time for doing
time to get together referances..[in writing..by people that
know you..and the kids]..that decalre..'legaly'..that your a
good-person..good/parent...etc]
these items...must*be submitted..to the court...[origonals]
and..copies sent to the prostitutor...etc
clearly court..has made*..an order...till that order is met..you
effectivly have no rights...but its..{the scam}..is more
clever..than this...see this all is based on a fiction
we created this fiction...whenever*..we put our...'mark*'...on
any*..paper
[its really the mark/of the beast*]...ie
it takes a living-being...and makes them...an id..[the id you yourself created..in responding..or initiating...govt interaction]
for most of us this is done...at birth..[our parents..filled
in a form...declaring under oath...you need to be
registerd...[cleve4r aint it..how we need to
regester...cars..pets...kids..etc
anyhow..BECAUSE..you [or your parents...regesterd..you]..you
fall under a govt act...[which one depends on just egsactly
what you applied..[apply means beg]...according to
which..item*..[chattle*]..you begged*..to regester]
see regestering a thing..means it belongs to govt
thus you regester*..your marrage..your*.."a chattle"..under the
marrage-act
regester your kids..their under the birth_act
regester your car...[cars aint vehicles]...only vehicles[doing
business need regestering...but if you do...thats under the
transport_act
even say people come here...they NEED to sign..their mark..on
some form..or other...[say the customs-'act'..or the
imagration-'act'...or the voters-'act'...etc etc]
anyhow thats why..they can do what they do
YOU had*..to have *signed..your*mark..[of the beast]
in doing so..you created a fiction..and a lie..!
[the law presumes:..you wont deliberatly...lie..about being
UNDER..an act..[which is something only govt
workers/polititions/docters/business..and others
*seeking..'ADVANTAGE*/powers*/authority*'..under the act
anyhow..you created...*a legal...'person*'...
that you think is you..*but its only a legal entity..
it*..dosnt have*life..in/of..it-self
it is..infact..a coorperation..[corperations..have their
corp/name..in *capital-letters...
[living people only capitalise their first letter]
anyhow
thats some of the reason...how
you replied to the capital...LETTER_NAME...
as if..*dead-entity..[*corperation]
acting as its agent...
then failed to declare..you*are acting..*as agent
anyhow its a bit more complicated..but there you go
thats how*..govt gets the power..we signed it away
now let the really smart people explain...
what to do..about it all
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 6:36:40 AM
OUG You are not discussing the topic and are discussing jinny's position. That diversion is finished.
Posted by Philo, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 7:29:41 AM
philo i am replying a question re life/death
we cannot fully grasp death/..
without discussing the events of life
im not the one raising the question
only giving reply...[a reply
others saw the means of removing..by poluting the..'other'..topic]
never the less the comment...
relates to this topic...because it replies a question
that arose*..from this discussion...let it go...
let the comment be judged in its own place..here...[it seems to have run its course..at any rate...[i wont say it was destracted...but its all relivant]..life in spirit..reflects life hereafter
its getting dificult to post
due to internet..'sir_vice-provider'...lol.. slowing down my service
i made a comment...
you formed an opinion
its you that created..the joinder
not me..
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 8:31:46 AM
This is the spirit, see the changes, the positive spirit. The spirits that led me here to listen to the other spirit whisper their secrets to me unknowingly, to teach me what I did not know. The spirits that makes it posible to give me the energy to do what I have to do. You put a smile on my face. They are all arounf you, I know, because I believe.
There is no heaven and hell. If you believe there is evil, then there will be evil. If you believe in god, there will be god. Our paths were already set out from the day life was given to us. However you try to fight this, u will not win.
Love conquers all, if there is no love, there is no hope. I have seen how many care, I know how many are making a difference. Dang! If I write anymore here, what am I going to be left with when I start working on my books? Forgive the ones that have caused you wrong, as they have their own reasons for making those choices.
This is my view. I respect ur views. Cheers and stay positive :)
Posted by jinny, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 8:42:39 AM
jinny has given me feedback..in real-time
[this real-time..is the link between god...and our living spirit's]
while we disagree...in many aspects...
its a marrage of oppisites..that gives good-fruit
illistrates..the sustaining nature of oppisites
the opposing basis..of heaven/hell
even just in the names..we use...jinny..being the one..and i the other...and even when we get it totally wrong..we yet circulate the life_energy..into a good*use...serving both our needs..and yours.
to quote...jinny..<<..The spirits..>>.[i would have wrote spirit}..<
<
<
i would add..he is..but then agree.<<,I know,..because I believe.>>
to which i say...our belief is sacred
regardless of where we differ...
it is in our..*simularity..god..[spirit]..is revealed
<
mine..says...except..that we*create...in our life-experiences
[energy..cannot be created..NOR destroyed...
[thus living spirits..MUST continue..their spirit-energy...'being'
some*where...
[for want of..a better word..i chose to call these..opposites..heaven/hell]
<<..If you believe*..there is*evil,..then there..*will be evil>>
i say regardless if we believe....or not..things can be called..[believed]..to be..good..or bad....
[this enlarges..into the good...seeking out the good..{in spirit}..and the bad..seeking out ways/means..to realise their love of..their vile..
<
and if you hope there isnt..you will..in time form a new OPINION.
time makes changes..but the only..thing that dosnt change..is good[god]..the cause..underlying our spirit-being..[no god..no spirit..no life]
<
i will agree...in a generalised manner...but the specifics..they are up to us...[BUT lets take your statement..FURTHER...jinny.
WHO?..WHAT?..set this path...out?
one spirit...many spirits...
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 9:35:50 AM
continued..
*ONE..or many?
..or all spirits..acting of one mind?
atonement..[at-one-meant]
<
im a lover...your the..fighter
and never the twain shall meet..i dont..*need to win
i just love playing the game..
<
if we love conquering..then we love the*win...
[to win..others must loose]..
love MUST not have a winner..[whiner]..nor looser
we agree<<..if there is no love,..there is no hope.>>
where love is..nothing*ELSE..can*..come-in
where there is hope..{for love}..there is hope for something better
<>
but also..i have seen..how many..couldnt care...less*
i dont focus..on their negativity...but must realise we are all different...because..this is my life-path..as theirs is theirs
<>
AND ALSO..THE MANY..WHO DONT..[darn cap-loc]..
<
turn..the other cheek...who judges..right..or wrong..do they judge rightly..or wrongly..just thinking the question gets your theory wrong
<
have their..*own..reasonings...fears..
learnings/earnings..[life-path]
<>
and i love your fearlesness
no more i love your strength
no...[must focus..on the words]
yes..{got-it]..i RESPECT..your vieuw..TOO
<
dont change jinny*
couldnt if we tried
change the need to change..[for a real change]..
and thus..*be the change.,.you need others to*be
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 9:59:56 AM
DESCRIBES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
THE SPIRIT AND THE ASTRAL PLANES
Nov.12th,1917
shall we start the survey of the astral plane
let me give an introduction.
;The first point you must realize is the great difference between astral..and the spirit planes.
;Let us consider the spirit plane first.
These differences strike the investigator at once:
;1...Matter has vanished entirely.
2...Space is non-existent.
3...Time..is nearly..non-existent..although there is something akin to chronological-order.
To make my meaning plain,..consider Hell.
Hell..is not a place...It is a condition.
The evil spirit..quits the astral plane-
that is to say,..he leaves astral body and ceases to be
visible..to the denizens of the astral.
It is quite possible..that he is still on the same spot as he
was at time before,..if you can so use the word,..just as a dead-man may haunt the earth,invisible to most.
Ill prove this statement of mine.
He ceased and suddenly..his form grew wan,became thin like paper,..tore in shreds,..and vanished.
Mother shrieked,and R.L.W sat Spell-bound and horror-struck.
Good heavens!..he ejaculated,I hope he has not left us..for good.
J.W...I have never seen him do that before;but I know I can find him if I return to earth,..leave my astral form here, and go out to the spirit plane...
We were still debating what we should do,..when I perceived a mist near/where..he had sat...It grew thicker and denser.. By degrees it became almost a solid mound.
Then the mound moved,..and began to pulsate...Slowly it changed into the form of a man,..and there once more was H.J.L..back amongst us.
He was standing a few yards away from the chair upon which
he had been seated...That was the only difference.
Mother:..I wish you would not play these tricks,.they are so startling...You gave me a fearful-shock.
H.J.L...smiled,and said,..I did it..to bring home my point.
So far as I am aware,..I never/moved away from this point,..yet I vanished,..as you saw,..and my astral body disintegrated.
Of course,..I am not a real denizen..of this plane,
so it's the easier.;
J.W.;..What landscape did you see?
H.J.L...I found myself..seated..in my study..in the Twilight-Land.
;Well,..to continue...This..*evil-spirit..immediately drifts into the company..of..other evil-spirits..of an simular/equally evil-nature
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 18 November 2010 8:44:51 PM
Their dominant sin..grips them..as in..a vice,and their chief thoughts..run on the lines..it has marked out...in its previous material life...
Take the Officer, whose dominant vices were hate and ruthlessness...He thought hate,..*that produced an atmosphere of cruelty..and hate,..and his
companions were likewise thinking the same ideas.
The sum total of their united ideas
formed that division of Hell.
Those who were weaker in character,..or even in cruelty, had to
accept the ideas thrown off by the stronger,and, therefore,..the Officer was able to inflict pain and wounds on those whom he crushed
J.W...It has been suggested that the Officer's..account of Hell is an account of a nightmare
dreamed by his sleeping spirit.;
H.J.L...;That is not a correct summary of the position.
Earth folk find it very hard to realize that even on earth the..;idea..&#..is everything.
They are so used to seeing ideas clothed in matter,
that they regard ideas not so clothed as much less important.
Now this is incorrect. Let us consider, say,..the winged figure of Victory...The idea existed in the mind of its creator before
he carved it in marble.
The idea would still have existed if he had never carved it.
Moreover,..he might have made a model of it,
and then had a bronze cast therefrom by someone else.
But if he had,..the idea would have been his,..not the caster's.
Mind,..I think he is the better/artist,.and probably the statue is a better statue,..if he does all the work himself,..but that does
not alter my argument.
Well,..though on earth ideas,..to become visible must,as a rule,..be
clothed in matter..* on the spirit/plane..the idea itself is perceived by us..and takes the form in which we have conceived it.
You,..Jack,..will understand this easily,..as you have seen the
statues in the·galleries on the spirit-plane,..which is explained..in the work we have recently given to the public...(Gone West,]
Now,..add to that fact..the further one/that united belief in an abstract idea creates it,..as seen in the..;Forms of the Gods;..which are worshipped..in the second division..of the spirit-plane,..and you have all the material..for Hell as...described..
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 18 November 2010 8:53:51 PM
UOG: when are you going to stop believing what others tell you? honestly? HELL? SUICIDE? come one.. wake up.. i mean some posters thinks i am not here? They're elsewhere stuck in their disruptive minds.
You like to analyze so much, come up with your proof of hell, how about posting some picture of it as well. Not made up ones.. REAL ONES
"Matter has vanished entirely" really? what matter? all the physical objects around you?
"Space is non-existent" what planet do you live in? even when you use the space bar on your keyboard there is a space.
"Time..is nearly..non-existent..although there is something akin to chronological-order." just because you can't deal with reality? of course time exist.
Why is there day and night, why is there time, why are there predictions, why have some of these predictions true. When did the word 'time' get created? now we view that word differently from before, because we know better.
Posted by jinny, Thursday, 18 November 2010 8:59:55 PM
described by the Officer.
So,..too,..you have the/explanation..of how the rest houses are set up in Hell..by bands of good spirits.
These phenomena are as objective to us..as material phenomena are to earth folk,..
and more so..for we feel them..with our whole being..instead of merely..*perceiving them..by means of one of our senses,..as,for example,..by means of sight...
Now I object to the dreaming them..for this reason.
In mortal life the dreamer is a passive-witness..of the scenes which pass through his mind...I do not mean that he does not sometimes appear to play a part in them;..of course he does.
But there comes a time when..he wakes and knows..they were a dream.
No such thing occurred with the Officer.
He did not*wake from the nightmare.
Rather,..his nightmare,..by degrees,..changed into a pleasanter condition...not a dream,..and he and I..and if all we see..are dreams but if so whose dreams?
Not the Officer's!
No,..the way in which a dream..could explain the phenomena is not that Hell/was a dream of the Officer's, but..that he and I,and R.L.W. and your mothe.. are all dreams..—..and you are the dreamer.
Well,..you know that this is absurd,
though the outside world may,..or may not,think so,
but as I am speaking..for your satisfaction mostly,..I tell you to put that idea away.
It won't enable you to explain the subject.
Grasp fully the import of the law..that the form and the idea..take the place of the physical..and the astral body,..and much that is difficult to understand..becomes plain.
For this law governs the spirit plane..whether in Hell or in the
highest division.
"Therefore,..it is true to say that Hell..is a condition..and not a place.
But this statement is not true of the astral plane.
1.The astral plane is semi-material.
2...It has something..*akin to space..and even position
"3.Time does*..exist,..though..in a more fluidic-form..than on earth.
"Now,..before enlarging..on these points,..I want to..
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 18 November 2010 9:02:43 PM
want to draw your attention to these characteristics
of the astral plane which differentiate it in a marked way from the spirit plane.
"The whole astral plane and its inhabitants are much less fixed than either the earth or the
spirit plane.
It is a half-way house between the two, and partakes of the nature of both, often
with incongruous results.
"Its inhabitants are much less graded and sorted out than those in the spirit plane.
You can
meet quite evil persons on the sixth division of the astral plane, and quite good ones on the
earth plane.
"Again, you find in certain parts of the astral plane life approximating closely to life of the
earth, and yet you will find men of several nationalities discussing abstruse problems by
means of telepathy, nearly as completely as we do in the spirit plane.
"Let us take point 1.
’’The astral plane may be regarded as the astral body of the earth itself, and just as the astral
body spreads its aura or outer fringe beyond our earth body to a distance of a few inches, so
does the world.
"But just as the astral body of a man is within as well as without his physical body, so the
astral plane interpenetrates the earth.
"The further one gets from the earth, the finer becomes the matter which still exists, until at
length it ceases.
Therefore, gross astral beings cannot reach the higher divisions of the astral
plane.
"Now, I am trying to keep this as clear as I can so if you can’t follow me say so at once and
remember that what may seem clear to you may not seem clear to others who have not had
your experience.
J.W. "I follow you quite well."
H.J.L. "Yes. With regard to the second point. You will now understand that in a certain sense
–
you must not be too literal, of course – but in a certain sense there is space, place, and
position. In a moment, when I’ve finished, R.L.W. will show you a diagram of the astral plane.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 18 November 2010 9:07:50 PM
"The two lowest divisions may be considered as within the earth’s crust...Of course,..I don’t mean that if you dig a big hole..you will ever be able to see*them..with mortal eyes,..but yet..in a sense that is their position.
"The third division,..our earth-plane is really..the outer crust of the physical earth,..as seen by*..an astral being. Those last few words convey a great deal..as Rex will explain later.
"The fourth division..or the land of the dreamers..is a curious band of country linking up the/earth-plane..and the higher division of the astral-plane.
Here time*..begins to play..a curious part..for here*..come the astral-elements..which are being thrown off..*by all things physical whether..’animate’..or what you are pleased to call..’inanimate.’
Here come the dreamers,..and here*also..come many astrals who descend from the higher division..to meet those who come seeking them,..and at times they stay..and talk as your mother did to B.,..and sometimes they lead..the dreamers into the fifth..or sixth division of the astral plane..as I did..when I met C.W.(see Gone West).
"This division..*corresponds largely..with the lower atmosphere,..and the very finest particles of dust..which are made visible to mortals when the sun illuminates them..are the grossest form/of matter..which we can see..on that plane.
"Of course,.when we are on the earth-plan.. we are brought within the influence of earth/conditions,..and can see real material objects,..but they look different..to us from what they do
to you.
"The next two divisions are further out in space,..i.e. further from the earth,..and also..the effect of time begins to appear.
"The fifth..and sixth-divisions..mingle*..in a way which is very difficult to describe..which brings home{to us}..more than anything else..the curious blend..of physical.and spiritual,..so characteristic..of the astral-plane.
"In the fifth division..the denizens think-they need..food and sleep, and so they have astral-food,..and actually appear*to sleep.
"In the sixth division,..where we are,..all four of us,..the denizens know..that neither food nor sleep..is necessary..and therefore do not have them.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 18 November 2010 9:16:32 PM
"Now,..you will perceive at once that this is the law of spiritual condition...It marks one of the earliest stages..of the cleansing of the spirit from earth influence.
"But the effect of time is peculiar also,..for these two divisions which in outward appearances*..resemble each other very closely,..show all the various stages*..through which the world has
passed.
Thus the world which is perishing today..under the guns in Italy is speeding over to..the fifth and sixth divisions.
"Here also you will find..the astral-form of the Ice Age..or of the coal measures.
"Now,..whereas..*on the physical-world..the most recent one is beneath your feet,..and the..Archæn rocks..are buried deep down in the bowels of the earth,..here you..*seem to see..these ages reflected..as-like in a mirror,..and so the age..of today..is in order of space..nearest to the earth..and each earlier age..is further..*out..in the ether.
"To take a homely simile,..if the earth were..*the heart of a bulb..the outer-layer_husk..would be the Archæn rocks,..and the intervening layers..would represent the coal-measures,..the Ice Age,
the present age,..and so forth,..of the astral plane.
"But though this..is a simple and effective simile,
it is not,*..unfortunately,..a completely correct one.
"The position..is complicated by the fact..that these..’strata’
here have..each two sections...one for those who need food,..and one for those who don’t.
If I were to merge them..into one division,..and simply say that those..who needed food..formed little communities..together..while
those who did not likewise lived apart...It should give you a very fair idea..of the truth,..
But yet..I should not be absolutely correct ..
"The highest division lies away/beyond..the sixth division
but by the time the astral being..reaches that division,
his astral body is growing weak.
He is losing his grip on locality..and coming more..*under the influence*of condition.
Most astrals..hardly see it,..because their astral_body wilts away and..their spirit soars..onwards..into the spirit-plane.
"Before leaving the subject of*..place,..I should add
that there is a strong tendency..for the layers..which represent say,..London in the past..to correspond*,,roughly with
London..of the present...as..on the earth.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 18 November 2010 9:26:10 PM
"Let us now..briefly consider..the question of..*time.
We have a very fair chronological-order..which
in our cases,..I mean R.L.W...and myself,..is aided by the recurrence of..your weekly visits.
At the same time,..as we have no physical sun..we have no simple timegauge..as earth folk have."
J.W.started,..and said..."But if you have no sun.
what is the light..I see?"
H.J.L."The astral_sun..which does not follow..*exactly the same hours as..the physical sun, and..the more material the division..into which it has to penetrate,..the less..true-light..is received.
Thus..there is no light..in the two lowest divisions which are,..as it were,..*within the earth.
Even..the third division,..which is,..*remember
the earth..as seen by the astral_being,..is comparatively dark.
Dreamland..is inclined to..a soft twilight,..though some parts,..{those nearest to the fifth-division,}..are fairly bright.
"When we reach..the fifth..and sixth divisions..we find
an abundance of light,..and so too..in the..highest-division.
When the astral being..passes out of..his astral body
into the spirit plane,..he no longer*perceives astral sunlight.
You know..the cause of light there;..and how those who have failed
to develop their spiritual_nature..*are unable to enter the brighter divisions.
"But to continue about time.
It is far more fluidic..than it is on earth..in one sense,..yet in
another sense..one sometimes is inclined to think..that it has stood still..in certain parts of the astral_plane.
Thus one enters the Ice Age area one finds men and animals which must have..entered it thousands of years ago..still behaving just as they did at the time of that longforgotten epoch.
"These are examples of its curious stability.
But I fancy it’s caused by the old law of..’Condition;
The savages have created an Ice Age atmosphere,..as it were.
Then,..again,we have no set seasons...You realized that when we visited that splendid garden.
Again,..our feelings cause some periods of earth time..to drag*..for a great while.
R.L.W...here broke in,.."Yes,..the time that passed..between my death and..your first visit..*seemed enormous —..almost as long as your first visit until now."
I..(J.W.)..nodded sympathetically.
H.J.L...continued..."Now,..I don’t suppose..I have..covered all the ground...I ought have..in this..introduction.. but I have given enough..to enable a start..to be made.
Further points..*can be...elucidated..as we go on."
http://www.ghostcircle.com/ebooks/JSM_Ward%20-%20A_Subaltern_In_Spirit_Lands.pdf
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 18 November 2010 9:37:49 PM
jinny,
UOG is in a state of fantacy, dont concern yourself.
Posted by Philo, Friday, 19 November 2010 6:38:01 AM
Division 1,..which I call the ante-chamber of Hell,..is a dismal place, ..and I have not*visited it myself,..but you have..[see page 53].
Men/shape..form's..are seldom,..if ever,..found there.
Only when falling..*into Hell..do they enter and pass through it,.and most of them,..as in the case of..the Officer,..see nothing of its condition.
It is the battle-ground..of all the evil passions..which
sink there from earth..or rise there...*out of Hell.
Many of them become personified,..as you know,..and
the other denizens..are the lowest and vilest form of elementals.
It is a perfect nightmare land..with no buildings or semi-physical features..a weltering waste of..raging,evil passions.
"To keep these in check,..and prevent them..from overflowing onto the earth,the astral plane,..and even the twilight land..of the spirit plane,..spirits of light descend*..and do battle with the powers of darkness.
"Its borders are ever fluctuating,..the powers of darkness constantly overflow into the second_division,..and even penetrate through it in places..and enter the earth division..and the land of the..dreamers.
"They never reach the fifth division."
H.J.L..."The reaction of the struggle.. however,..is sometimes felt on..*the lowest edge of the twilight..land,..as J can bear witness."
R.L.W..."The second division..is the division of evil mortals*..who sink into the various sins of..*obsession...It's..a dark and murky air,..and is a fair counterpart..of Hell..*on the astral plane.
"There are no buildings..on this division,..nor any animals.
yet many human/beast type schimera..[such as man/beast..of egypt]
"The landscape,..if so we can call it,..consists of great canyons,..with high precipices..dank caves...and vile swamps...Amid these canyons..lurk degenerate mortals..who are fast drifting into Hell.
There is..a little dirty-water in parts,..and slime..and filth everywhere.
"By means of..*obsession..its inhabitants,..do escape on-to..the earth division...folowing vile thoughts..and there prey..upon human beings..who are still in the flesh.
Their victims are..for the most part..drinksodden/drug addled..and egotists..criminals,..and their favorite hunting ground..is some moral-slum..on earth.
They crowd/round drinking dens..and houses of ill-repute.
There they urge on..the criminal and debased to fleshly excesses,
and entwining themselves..with their victims..gain a vicarious gratification of..their burning desires...[obsessing]
Posted by one under god, Friday, 19 November 2010 9:14:00 AM
to show..the link between...spirit...and earth
..[covering..the earth period...between 3 dec..11 dec.1917]
lets begin..at CHAPTER vii
OPPOSITION TO THE OFFICER
"When I reported to the Officer,..he said,
’I must warn you that the powers of Darkness..have organized themselves..very much on the same lines as we have done.
"’Indeed,..there is no doubt/that..they have deliberately copied our system...Their followers dress as much like us as possible.. have adopted our system of officers,..and endeavor to get hold of the "newly slain"..by pretending to be their friends.
"’Here is a man..whom we have just rescued from their clutches.’
"He indicated a young sub-lieutenant..whose name I won’t give for obvious reasons.
"The Officer said,,..’Just repeat your story,..will you?’
anyhow...
the climax is a bit further along
but here is what was..going down...here on earth
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/dec/07.htm
as for the spirit story....behind it...its in the previous link
i just gave the starting point...do with it as you chose
it must link with fatima
but im still researching that bit..
feel free to rebut*
i will continue to ignore name-calling
and those...who think its all a joke
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 20 November 2010 2:50:16 PM
THE MIRACLE
As a great sign of the whole message truly coming from God,..a marvelous miracle was worked in the sky above Fatima before 70,000 witnesses on October 13, 1917..[the same time..the stories quoted abouve were transmitted]
at the time, date and place that Lucy and the other two children had prophesised in the name of Our Lady of Fatima. The children were told by Our Lady that God would perform a miracle so that people would believe in the apparitions.
The date the children was October 13, 1917, in Fatima...On that date, 70,000 people came to see the phenomenon...The miracle occured with the sun.
All could stare perfectly at the sun without blinking,..or even hurting heir eyes...While all were watching the sun, it rotated,..got large and small,..got close to the people,..and got far away from them.
The sun " danced ". Every single person who was there testified to seeing the sun dance, even non- believers who immediately dropped onto their knees and begged for forgiveness..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima
there are some strange linkages...in all this
as well as clear errors...[like calling her..the mother of god]
god has no mother...and jesus isnt god..
but the linkage to russia is clear...by her own words
thats why i posted the previous link
anyhow
i go to read
compare...and join some dots...for my own benifit..
[its how i pass the time]
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 20 November 2010 6:16:17 PM
the third secret? ..[the rhyme of the rosey]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Secrets_of_F%C3%A1tima#Third_Secret_controversy
'In Portugal,..[fatima]..the dogma of the Faith..will always be preserved.'
Lucia..is reported to have explicitly stated..that the Third Secret contains Apocalyptic content...According to one source,..when Lucia was asked about the Third Secret,..she said it was.."in the Gospels and in the Apocalypse",
and at one point she had even specified..Apocalypse chapters 8 to 13, a range that includes Apocalypse 12:4,..the chapter and verse cited by Pope John Paul II in his homily in Fatima on 13 May 2000.
"In the Third Secret..it is foretold,..among other things,
that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top."
In addition,..Fr. Malachi Martin stated..that the Third Secret
"doesn't make any sense unless we accept that there will be, or that there is in progress, a wholesale apostasy amongst clerics,..and laity in the Catholic Church ...".
the Third Secret involves the "importance of the novissimi"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_time
,..and "dangers threatening the faith...*..and the life..of the Christian serving the goods of love grace mercy..of neighbour and god..and therefore..(the life)..of the world."
"The work's of evil..will infiltrate..even into the Church..in such a way that one will see cardinals..opposing cardinals,..bishops,..against bishops.
The priests who venerate..good/truth/grace/mercy..will be scorned and opposed by their confreres..churches and altars sacked from within;..the Church will be full of those who accept compromises..and demon's..will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord."
the Third Secret..of Fatima had to do with..the internal problems of the Catholic Church."
the last pope would be under control of Satanist's..[wolves in sheeps clothing]......those who honour good..with their lips..not their hearts...
Fr. Martin..said;..Catholic prelates in Rome,..who belong to Satan...They're servants of Satan...And the servants of Satan outside the Church,..in various organizations;..want to destroy the Catholicism of the Church,..and keep it..as a stabilizing factor in human affairs.
It's an alliance...A dirty alliance,..a filthy alliance,..but a very good alliance."
[good is used relitivly...as in it's aleigance...seemingly..has the highest 'cause'
but via the lowest-means...[seeking good from bad..is futile]..
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 21 November 2010 1:30:20 AM
only bad can come from bad..only good from god.
In the same interview, Fr. Martin..also said with respect to Lucia that, "They've..(The Vatican)..published forged letters in her name; they've made her say things she didn't want to say...They put statements on her lips she never made."
it should be sufficient..for all Christians to know this much
It is dangerous to want to satisfy one's curiosity..only,if..one is convinced that we can do nothing against a catastrophe..that has been predicted."
He held up his rosary..and stated..
"Here is the remedy against this evil.
Pray,..pray and ask for nothing else...
Put everything in the hands of God."
Asked what would happen in the Church,..he said: "We must be prepared to undergo great trials..in the not-too-distant future;..trials that will require us to be ready to give up even our lives,..and a total gift of self..to Christ and for good.
Through your prayers and mine,..it is possible to alleviate this tribulation,..but it is no longer possible to avert it,..because it is only in this way that the Church can be effectively renewed.
We must be strong,..we must prepare ourselves,
we must entrust ourselves to Christ..and to His holy Mother,
and we..*must be *attentive,..very*attentive,..to the prayer of the Rosary."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosary
[remember evil attacks the root of good...change one word..you change its whole meaning]
The Rosary..(from Latin rosarium,..meaning "rose garden")..or "garland of roses"..is a popular and traditional Catholic devotion.
The term denotes the prayer beads used to count
the series of prayers that make up the rosary.
The prayers consist of repeated sequences of the Lord's Prayer followed by ten prayings of the Hail Mary and a single praying of "Glory Be to the Father" and is sometimes accompanied by the Fatima Prayer;
A sign of the cross on the Crucifix and then the Apostles' Creed;
An Our Father on the first large bead;
A Hail Mary on each of the three small beads with the following intentions (the theological virtues):
For the increase of faith
For the increase of hope
For the increase of charity
A Glory Be to the Father;
Announce the myster
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 21 November 2010 1:32:07 AM
An "Our Father" on the large bead
A "Hail Mary" on each of the adjacent ten small beads;
A "Glory Be to the Father";
All praise and all thanksgiving be every moment thine...
Again..an Our Father on the next large bead,
followed by ten Hail Marys on the small beads,..the Glory Be to the Father,
(and Fatima Prayer, cf. below)..for each of the following decades;
each of these sequences..is known as a decade.
The praying of each decade is accompanied by meditation
on one of the Mysteries of the Rosary,..which recall..the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
Praying the rosary may be prescribed by priests as a form of penance after confession. Penance in this form is not generally intended as a "punishment"; rather, it is meant to encourage reflection upon and spiritual growth from past sins
The traditional 15 Mysteries of the Rosary were standardized,
the sorrowful mysteries,
and the glorious mysteries.
Glorious Mysteries
The Resurrection...Fruit of the Mystery:.Faith
The Ascension...Fruit of the Mystery:..Hope and desire for ascension to Heaven
The Descent of the Holy Spirit...Fruit of the Mystery:.Holy Wisdom to know the truth and share with everyone, Divine Charity, Worship of the Holy Spirit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatima_Prayer
In 2002, Pope John Paul II announced five new optional mysteries,
the luminous mysteries, bringing the total number of mysteries to 20.
Luminous Mysteries
Fruit of the Mystery:..Openness to the Holy Spirit-the Healer.
The understanding of..the ability to manifest-through faith.
Jesus' Proclamation of the Kingdom of God.
Fruit of the Mystery: Trust in God (Call of Conversion to Messiah-ship)
The Transfiguration. Fruit of the Mystery: Desire for Holiness
Hail Mary, full of grace,..the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,..and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,..Jesus.
O Lord,..open my lips.
And my mouth will proclaim your praise.
Incline your aid to me, O God.
O Lord, make haste to help me.
In the name of the Father,
and of the Son,..and of the Holy Spirit...[with-in....us all].. Amen.
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 21 November 2010 1:33:06 AM
it would be remiss of me to not include the...'other'..spirits..in this discource...so saying lets delve into the realm..of spirits..of the four elementals...as well as..the four other/realms of life
firstly..a quick wisdom..from a tree-spirit...
’There is..but one God,..yet he works*..through many gods..and spirits..and men..and animals.
He shows..His power..and His majesty
in all that is*..or was*..or shall be*.
For all that was is*,..and all that shall be*..was,..and..*in Him all
things are.’
next lets enter..the realm..of earth/air..wind..and fire-spirit
[who witness/records...chists crucifiction]
"R.L.W...’Sire,..who are you,..and these beautiful fairy/folk..I’ve seen in this city,..and how is it..they dwell..in the seventh division..of the astral plane?’
"The king answered,..’Long ago..I was one of the fairy folk,..such as those you have just left,..and so were..*we all.
I dwelt in a castle,..and did deeds of glamour,..and hoped that a mortal-dreamer..[poet]..would one day proclaim them..to the world...[in his word]
But..one day I fell into a strange trance..and..*dreamed of earth..and the sufferings of mortals,..and their follies,..and I saw how foolish*..were their griefs,..*and how easy it would be to relieve them.
"’And when I awoke,..I pondered over these things,..and it grew upon me..*that the life..*I lived..was aimless and empty,..since it was but glamour,..and there was..*neither real sorrow..nor true-sin,..but only make-believe.
For evil..was only potential,..but there..{here}..it was real.
Here..[there}..the triumph of the good knight..was always*..assured,..but there{here}..it was uncertain.
"’Then I set out..towards the confines of Fairyland,
and turned my back..on the pleasant vales.
I journeyed through the dark woods,..and came at last..to the cave where the gnomes dwell...These would have bidden me stay,..but I heeded them not,
and at length..I came out..into the astral_plane,[of which you know.]
But lower..and lower I went,..*seeking true/sin..and..real-suffering,..just as you men folk..flee from them,..and on the astral plane I worked..for a while;..but as I knew*not earth life,..I found my efforts..of little avail.
"’So at length..I reached the earth-plane,..and wandered..*unseen..among the sons of men..till the sorrow of the world..*ate..into my soul..and grief..*for its woe..overwhelmed me...
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 21 November 2010 10:33:00 AM
..’Yet try as I would,..I found..*I could do little..to help mankind,..for I was not*..of their nature.
Till..one dread day..I stood on a hill..near a city..men call Jerusalem..and I gazed in the faces of..three who were crucified.
Then He..in the centre..saw me,..though the rest saw me not,
and He/..spoke these words:
’’’O spirit of air,..who knowest not the love of man,..draw near."
’And I drew near,..and said,.."I have sought suffering..and grief that I might be able..to aid men-folk...Thou,..who seemest to be the King of Pain,..*bring pain..*to me."
"’And He smiled..."Thou hast asked..a hard thing,
yet shall it be given..unto thee.
Wrench forth/the nails..which fasten My hands and feet,..and set Me free."
’Then I arose..and strove to grasp the nails,..but couldn’t,
for they were material,..and I*..immaterial...And as I strove my utter helplessness filled me..with a new sensation,..and it was
grief.
For,..strive as I might,..I could do
nothing to help..that gentle sufferer.
" ’And the grief..grew to an intensity of pain..which is indescribable.
"’Then again He spoke..."It avails not,..thou canst not help Me,..and yet*..in the striving thy request*..has been granted..Go, and My love for man go with thee.
"..’Then the vague desire to help man grew into a burning passion, and I went from the spot
and strove to help them...And now it seemed that I was changed in spirit,..or I comprehended
their griefs and also how to help them.
’So I comforted the heavy-hearted..in the dark watches of the night, and I guided the erring
ones into the safe road. I strove with the wayward, and warned the foolish till my work was..accomplished.
Then I came back..to the fairy folk,..and told them..*what had befallen me,..and many others,..following my example,..went forth likewise to earth,..
and some there be..who are even now labouring,..and others there are..who rest..from their labours with me..in this fair city,..
and yet others..there are who are here..and have passed on-to..the spirit plane,..for there are many roads,..and the same path..is not used by all
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 21 November 2010 10:43:11 AM
the same path..is not used by all.
Yet it seems to me that though
for us the life on earth..will not be needful*,
it will yet be necessary..for us to dwell..on one of the
less material planets,..for though I have learnt to suffer,..yet have I never learnt to die,..
and I think..*none can become perfect..
till that experience*..has been endured.’
"He paused for a moment,..and then continued:
’I am wise,..wiser perhaps than men folk,..and the lore of this realm..is an open book to me,..and if it were..*for thy good,..I would gladly reveal..to thee much wisdom.
As, indeed, I have done when on eart.. but the simpler lessons are for
thee,..my son,..and enough has been said already for,..of even that which I have told thee,..much will appear a mystery;
Only remember..that without suffering..there is no completion of
soul*..and without love..*there is no peace.’
"Then his fair queen spoke,..and what she told me corresponded very closely with what the..king had said.
In one point,..however,..it differed strikingly,
for she learnt suffering..through the anguish of a woman
whose love..{for a king}..who..forsook her...{love/peace}..
for another*...[you you silly man]..even the fairies..have lessons..as well as teachings...
fables can reach even the hard-hearts..of kings
how dare we judge..the most affective means..to good
[in the end..we each get it}
some via parrable..
others by life experience,[works]..others by words
and some just never get it..
get it?
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 21 November 2010 10:52:05 AM
no, i don't 'get it'
UOG: What is the use of you "joining the dots" of facts? you are analyzing facts that was known a century ago. Why are you obsessed with this? Save yourself before you try to save others. If you continue, you know what will happen.. same as what happened with the other one.
Wake up and smell the roses mate
Posted by jinny, Sunday, 21 November 2010 1:40:55 PM
oh and... don't mix up suicidal and murder...
you live in your own word, it's not fair for you to go on about this when others do not live in the same.
I looked at your post and read the links. Do not live in the past. live in the present. Work on the future.
Stay strong, and get off those websites...
Posted by jinny, Sunday, 21 November 2010 1:44:14 PM
lets quote from..a work..of science*
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF
Inter-Relationship..of the Two_Worlds
The reality..of an invisible_world..surrounding the physical_world
is for many..difficult to comprehend,..since the mind sphere..is often limited to the visible..and tangible;
however,..it requires but little thought..to realize the constant change of matter*..as it occurs in three forms,..solid,..liquid..and gaseous,..*in its range..back and forth..*between the visible..and
invisible.
Visible nature..is but..the invisible,{cause}..the Real,
made manifest..{tangable/real}..through a combination of its
elements;..science informs*us..that fully ninety-five per cent of vegetation..is derived..*out of the air,..or atmosphere.
Is not mankind..living at the bottom-of..an invisible ocean,..the
atmosphere,*..which is..*even more important..to physical existence*..than any*of..the visible-physical substances,
*since life can continue..but a few moments*..out of it?
Nitrogen gas,..constituting the greater bulk/of..the atmosphere,..enters vitally*..*into..vegetable and animal growth..and existence.
Hydrogen..and oxygen gases*..are constantly/changing..from a state of invisible vapor..to visible..*and solid form...Carbon offers another
example of*..similar transformation.
Sounds,..odors,..the thermic law*..of heat..and cold...and multitudes of other phenomena,..ranging from the infinitesimal{unseen]..*electron..to the energy..*which moves the planets..and suns,..are all*..intangible,..invisible*..factors.
All activities,..whether chemical,vital or mental,..*operate invisibly,..as observed in..chemical affinity,..in energy,..in plant life,..in animal life,..in intelligence and mentalization.
So..in every department of our manifest physical-nature
it is evident..that all elements have..their root..*and permanence..*in the invisible.
The invisible*..is the source of*..the visible.
Thus..when we realize..that the objective..is only a combination of invisible substances*..and forces,..the existence of..*an unseen-world..is readily comprehensible.
Considering the wonderful advancement of science..into the field of nature's..*finer..{unseen}.forces,..it is*inconceivable..that any thinking mind*..can fail to recognize..the rationale..*of the independent..CAUSAL-existence..of the human*{cause},..spirit..egsisting,.,.UNSEEN..within*..*then..apart from..the physical_body.
No subject has been better authenticated..through the ages..and in all literature*..than that of spirit existence..and that of..a future life.
Fiske,..the historian,says:..“Among all races of men,..as far as can now be determined,*..ancestor worship”..(contact with the spirits of the departed)..*“was the earliest form of*..worship..{prevailing in Africa,Asia,China,Japan,..among the Aryans of Europe..and
the American Indian tribes.”}
Allen,..in his..“History of Civilization”..writes:..“Rude tribes..the world over..*are found to have..*ideas of a human-soul,*..a spirit world,*..and generally..a belief in immortality.
Savages consider..the next life..simply..*a continuation of this;..they also recognize*..an other self*..which has mysterious powers.
Death..is the abandoning of the material_body..by this mysterious*..other self,..which is conceived of..*as still existing..in the near neighborhood...{proximity..to the remaining..'living'}presence
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 7:43:21 AM
The loves..and hates..*of this world..are transferred to the spirit world.”
Confucius said:..“Bemoan not*..the departed with excessive grief.
The dead..are devoted..and faithful friends;..they are*..*ever associated with us.”
The writers..of classic times..Socrates,Herodotus,Sophocles,Euripides,Plato,..Aristotle, Horace,Virgil,Plutarch,Josephus,Maximus of Tyre..*repeatedly refer to spirit*existence..as a well known fact.
Cicero wrote:..“Is not..almost all*heaven..filled with the human?..Those very gods themselves..*had their original..here below,..and ascended from*hence into heaven.”
That early Christianity..recognized spirits..is too well authenticated in the writings of St.Anthony,Tertullian,Origen and their contemporaries to require emphasis.
The Bible is replete..with references to spirit existence...“We also are compassed about..with so great a cloud of witnesses.”..Heb.12:1...“Beloved,..believe not every spirit..* but
try the spirits,..whether they are..*of God.”
1 John..4:1...“The spirits of just men..*made perfect.”
Heb...12:23...“There is a natural_body..and there is a spiritual body..First that which is natural,..and afterward that which is spiritual.”..1 Cor...15:44,46.
Many other similar biblical citations might be given.
Swedenborg contributed volumes on this subject.
Dr...Samuel Johnson said:..“I do not..*believe in spirits
I have*seen..too many of them.”
John Wesley wrote in..“The Invisible World”:..“It is true that the English in general..indeed most of the men..of learning in Europe..have given up..all accounts of witches and apparitions as mere old wives' fables.
I am sorry for it,..and I willingly take this opportunity to offer my solemn protest against this violent compliment which so many
that believe in the Bible pay to those who do not believe it.
Such belief is in direct opposition,..not only to the Bible,..but to the suffrage of the wisest..and best of men in all ages and nations.
They well know that the giving up of witchcraft
is in effect giving up..the Bible.”
That psychic phenomena occurred at the house of Mr. Samuel Wesley, father of Rev.John Wesley,..at Epworth, and continued with noises and disturbances of various kinds..for many months,is well known.
Shakespeare,..Milton,Wordsworth,Tennyson,..Longfellow,
and many other poets wrote..with profound understanding..of the continued existence of man...
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 7:52:10 AM
We are all familiar..with the convincing results of the psychical research work of modern scientists,..philosophers,..ministers,..physicians,..psychologists and other investigators
Prof. Crookes,..Alfred Wallace,..Sir Oliver Lodge,..Sir Arthur Conan Doyle,..Rev. R.J.Campbell,..Archdeacon Colley,..Rev. Newton,..Rev. Savage,..W.T. Stead,Camille Flammarion,..Dr. Baraduc,..Dr.Janet,Prof.Richet,..Cesare Lombroso,.Dr.
Hodgson,.Dr. I.K. Funk,..Prof.James,..Prof.Hyslop,..Dr. Carrington and many others.
Dr. Thomas J. Hudson, author of “The Law of Psychic Phenomena,” wrote: “The man
who denies the phenomena of spiritualism today is not entitled to be called a skeptic, he
is simply ignorant.”
The Rev. Dr. George M. Searle, Rector of the Catholic Church of St. Paul the
Apostle, New York City, said: “The reality of the existence of spirits in modern spiritism
is no longer an open question, even among scientific men who have examined the
subject.
Any one who considers the manifestation of them as mere humbug, trickery or
delusion, is simply not up to date.”
“In our times no one denies the real existence of spiritualistic facts, except a few who
live with their feet on the earth and their brains in the moon,” wrote G. G. Franco, S. J.,
in “Civilta Cattolica.”
“Spiritistic phenomena are external facts which fall within the
range of the senses and can easily be observed by all, and when such facts are attested by
so many well informed and credible witnesses, it is useless, as well as foolish and
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ridiculous, to fight against proved evidence.
The facts remain assured, even for
reasonable men.”
The spiritual world and the physical world are constantly intermingling; the spiritual
plane is not a vague intangibility but is real and natural, a vast zone of refined substance,
of activity and progress, and life there is a continuation of life in the physical world.
On
the physical plane of expression the soul obtains knowledge through experience and
contact with objective things, and intelligence finds itself by manifesting through
physical organs; in the spiritual plane progression of the individual continues, the mind
unfolding along lines of reason, through spontaneity of service, the attainment and
appreciation of high ideals and an ever broadening conception of life's purpose.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 7:56:01 AM
"Dr. Thomas J. Hudson, author of “The Law of Psychic Phenomena,” wrote: “The man who denies the phenomena of spiritualism today is not entitled to be called a skeptic, he is simply ignorant.”"
Does he get attacked in public very often?
Is it denying spiritualism or denying the phenomena is proof of the spiritual rather than something more, well... down to earth?
I watched a TV program about people in church and their brains start releasing some checmical that gives them feelings we spiritual laypeeps probably call oneness with everybody else, they feel their gods presence etc.
Upshot was chemicals caused it, simple ones we release when focused on a belief that makes us happy.
But the program at the end did ask the question of whether humans were wired up that way specifically to "believe" or if we happen to "believe" because we evolved these chemicals and religion is a good vehical for them?
Posted by The Pied Piper, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 8:24:17 AM
The change called “death,”..the word..*is a misnomer..universally regarded with/gloomy fear,..occurs so naturally and simply that the greater number,..after passing out of*..the physical are..*not aware..that the transition..has been made,
and having no knowledge of..a spiritual{after}..life..they are totally unconscious..of having passed..*into another state of being.
Deprived of their physical-sense/organs,..they are shut out from the physical light,..and lacking,..*a mental perception of the high purpose of existence,.these individuals are
spiritually blind*..and find themselves in a twilight condition -
the “outer darkness”..mentioned in the Bible -and linger in the realm known as..the Earth Sphere.{here}
Death..does not make
a saint..of a sinner,.;
nor a sage..of a fool.
The mentality is the
same*..as before and individuals carry with*them..their old*desires, habits,..dogmas,..faulty_teachings,..indifference..or disbelief in a future life.
“As a man thinketh..in his heart,.so is
he.”..Prov.23:7.
Assuming spirit forms..which are the result of their..thought life on earth,..millions...remain for a time*..in the earth-sphere,..and often..*in the environment..*of their earth lives,.still held by their..old-habits..or human..interests.
“Where your treasure is..there will your heart be..*also.”..Matt.6:21.
Those who have progressed..to the higher spirit world
ever endeavor to enlighten these..earthbound spirits,..but the latter,..*due to preconceptions..concerning the hereafter,..labor
under the delusion/that the departed are..*“dead,”.or are “ghosts,” and..*often refuse to..recognize their friends..*or to realize their own condition.
Many are in a state of heavy sleep,..others are lost or confused; troubled minds may be haunted..by fear of the strange darkness,..those conscience stricken suffer..in anguish or
remorse..for their,..earth conduct;
some,..impelled by selfish..or evil inclinations,..seek an
outlet for their tendencies/desires..,remaining in this condition until these destructive desires are/outgrown,..
when the soul cries out for understanding..and light,
and progressed spirits arethus..able to reach them..and aid them.
Lacking physical bodies..through which to carry out earthly propensities many..discarnate..[disincarnate}..intelligences are attracted to the magnetic light..*which emanates from*..mortals,*
and,..*consciously or unconsciously.. attach themselves*..to these magnetic auras,..finding an avenue of expression..through influencing,..obsessing*..or possessing human beings..
[this work SPECIFICLY deals..with removing/assisting..them..!]
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 8:37:19 AM
Such
obtruding spirits influence susceptible sensitives with their thoughts, impart their own
emotions to them, weaken their will power and often control their actions, producing
great distress, mental confusion and suffering.
These earthbound spirits are the supposed “devils” of all ages; “devils” of human
origin, by-products of human selfishness, false teachings and ignorance, thrust blindly
into a spirit existence and held there in a bondage of ignorance.
The influence of these discarnate entities is the cause of many of the inexplicable and
obscure events of earth life and of a large part of the world's misery. Purity of life and
motive, or high intellectuality, do not necessarily offer protection from obsession;
recognition and knowledge of these problems are the only safeguards.*
The physical conditions permitting this impingement are varied; such encroachment is
often due to a natural and predisposed susceptibility, a depleted nervous system, or
sudden shock. Physical derangements are conducive to obsession, for when the vital
forces are lowered less resistance is offered and intruding spirits are allowed easy access,
although often neither mortal nor spirit is conscious of the presence of the other.
This encroachment alters the characteristics of the sensitive, resulting in a seemingly
changed personality, sometimes simulating multiple or dissociated personalities, and
frequently causes apparent insanity, varying in degree from a simple mental aberration to,
and including, all types of dementia, hysteria, epilepsy, melancholia, shell shock,
kleptomania, idiocy, religious and suicidal mania, as well as amnesia, psychic invalidism,
dipsomania, immorality, functional bestiality, atrocities, and other forms of criminality.
Humanity is surrounded by the thought influence of millions of discarnate beings, who
have not yet arrived at a full realization of life's higher purposes. A recognition of this
fact accounts for a great portion of unbidden thoughts, emotions, strange forebodings,
gloomy moods, irritabilities, unreasonable impulses, irrational outbursts of temper,
uncontrollable infatuations and countless other mental vagaries.
The records of spirit obsession and possession extend from...
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 8:39:24 AM
extend from remotest antiquity to
modern times.
Dr.Tyler,..the noted English Anthropologist,..in his..“Primitive Culture,”says:
“It is not too much to assert that the doctrine of demoniacal possession is kept up,..substantially the same theory to account for substantially the same facts,..by half the
human race,..who thus stand as consistent representatives of their forefathers back in the
primitive antiquity.”
In Muller's “Urreligionen” ..he find:..“The general belief of the barbaric world today is..that such attacks as epilepsy,hysteria, delirium,idiocy and madness are caused..by some
demon gaining control of the body.”
Homer referred..repeatedly to demons and said:..“A sick man pining away ..is one upon whom an evil spirit..has gazed.”
Plato held..that demons obsessed mortals.
Socrates speaks directly of demons
influencing the possessed (insane).
Plutarch wrote:..“Certain/tyrannical demons.require for their enjoyment some soul..*still incarnate;..being unable to
satisfy their passions..*..in any other way,..*incite to sedition, lust,..wars of conquest,..and thus*..get what they lust for.”
Josephus says:..“Demons are the spirits of wicked men.”
Obsessing or possessing spirits are frequently mentioned both in the Old and New
Testaments.
In I Samuel 16:23,..we read: “David took an harp,..and played with his hand:..so Saul was refreshed,..and was well,..and the evil spirit departed from him.”
So common was the belief in spirits and spirit obsession in the time of the apostles that
the ability to cast out evil spirits was considered one of the most important signs of
genuine discipleship,
and it must be admitted that a considerable portion of the work
accredited to Jesus was the casting out of demons.
A few quotations from the New Testament will suffice. “Jesus gave his twelve
disciples power against unclean spirits, to cast them out.” Matt. 10:1. “'Jesus preached . .
. and cast out devils.” Mark 1:39. “A certain mad which had devils long time . . . Jesus
had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man . . . He that was possessed of
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the devils was healed.”..Luke 8:27, 29, 36. “Vexed with unclean spirits.”..Luke 6:18.
“The evil spirits went out of them.” Acts 19:12.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 8:47:26 AM
“Master,..I have brought unto thee..my son,..
which hath a dumb spirit ...
And he asked..his father:
How long is it ago...since this came unto him?
And..he said,..Of..a child
Jesus..rebuked the foul spirit.. saying unto him,..Thou deaf..and dumb spirit,..I charge thee,..come*out..of him.. and enter no more into him.
And the spirit cried,..and rent him sore,..and came out of him:..and he was..*as..one dead;..insomuch that many said,..*He is dead.
But
Jesus took him by the hand,..and lifted him up;..and he arose.”..Mark 9:17,..21,..25-27...(Similar occurrences are not at all uncommon..in psycho-pathological research.)
Dr...Godfrey Raupert, of London,..who several years ago was especially delegated by Pope Pius X to lecture to Catholic audiences in America on Spiritualism,..said in..substance: “It is no longer possible to put the subject of psychic phenomena aside.
The
scientific men all over the world have recognized spiritism as a definite and real power,..and to shelve it is a dangerous policy.
Consequently the Pope has asked me to tell
Catholics the attitude to take toward the subject ... The Church admits the reality of
these spiritistic phenomena and their external intelligences, in fact, it has always admitted
their reality.
The problem at present is to discover the nature of the intelligence. We
are now on the borderland of new discoveries which may revolutionize the world. It is
not the time yet for an explanation of all the phenomena. We must suspend our
judgment until the subject is better known.
The study of spiritism is a new one and
therefore dangerous
A partial knowledge of the subject..*may cause grave dangers.”
(Resulting in obsession or possession.)
“There is no doubt about the fact of diabolical obsessions in the olden time.
That the
Church (Catholic) recognizes the possibilities is evidenced by the rules prepared for
exorcising,” is the quoted statement of Monsignor Lavelle, Rector of St. Patrick's
Cathedral, New York.
Julian Hawthorne wrote, in one of the leading newspapers: “Thousands of evil-minded
and evil-acting men and women die every day.
What becomes of their souls,..or spirits?
They want to get back here..
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 8:50:41 AM
the increasing boldness and frequency with which they
take advantage of their opportunities is illustrated in many ways...
Two acts of defense
are open to us.
We may stop the source of supply of these undesirable visitors and we
may close the doors.”
One has to be 'scientific' indeed,
to be blind and ignorant enough to suspect no such possibility.”
Prof. James H. Hyslop, while editor of the Journal of the American Society for
Psychical Research, wrote: “There is growing evidence of the fact of obsession which lies
at the basis of much insanity and can be cured. The medical world will have to wake up
and give attention to this problem or materia medica will lose control of the subject.”
The..term obsession..is employed by psychic researchers
to denote the abnormal influence of..spirits..on the living....
The cures effected have required much time and patience, the use
of psychotherapeutics of an unusual kind, and the employment of psychics to get into
contact with the obsessing agents and thus to release the hold which such agents have, or
to educate them to voluntary abandonment of their persecutions..
Every single case
of dissociation and paranoia to which I have applied cross-reference has yielded to the
method and proved the existence of foreign agencies complicated with the symptoms of
mental or physical deterioration.
It is high time to prosecute experiments on a large scale
in a field that promises to have as much practical value as any application of the scalpel
and the microscope.”
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 8:54:53 AM
Those that prefer to explain the universe by one single process - evolution - have not explained the power of evolution to create chemicals to form matter or the beginning of life. Evolution is an assumed process and not a creative dynamic.
Posted by Philo, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 10:34:57 AM
so lets continue...from
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF
Chapter VII
Spirits and Suicide
A great number of..*unaccountable suicides..are due to the obsessing or possessing
influence of earthbound spirits...Some of these spirits are actuated by a desire to torment
their victims;
others,..who have ended their physical existence..as suicides,
find themselves..still alive,..and,..having no knowledge of a spirit world,..labor under the delusion*..that their..self-destructive attempts have failed..and continue their suicidal efforts.
When these intelligences..come in contact with mortal sensitives,..they mistake the
physical bodies for their own,..and impress..*the sensitives..with morbid thoughts*..and
instigate them..to deeds of self destruction.
The fate of a suicide..is invariably one of deepest misery,..This rash act holding them in the..earth_sphere..*until such time as his physical-life..*would have had..*a natural ending.
One suicide case..which we contacted..was the spirit of a woman,..Mrs. X.,
[skip to here words}..
This spirit,..like so many others,..was unconscious of*..controlling a body
not its own,..and upon contacting*..within[fl;esh/blood..living-matter,..
who..again..and again.. experienced its..last death struggle.
this was the spirit..who had ended her..own/physical life..by hanging herself.
but..She was still bound to..the earth sphere..and related the
indescribable mental hell..*she had been in..during all those years.
“As soon as..I found myself out of my body,
I saw at once..the cause*..for my rash act.
Evil spirits,..who had been attracted to me..*by the jealous thoughts..of other persons,
they were..standing nearby me as i crossed over,
grinning..with devilish satisfaction at their*..work.
“They had influenced me..to end my life;
I had no occasion..to even think of such folly.
but..An irresistible impulse had suddenly come over me.
[reacting to my jealous thoughts]
I fastened the rope around my neck,
and only realized..what I had done..*when it was too late.
“I would have given the world..to have been able to regain possession of my body.
[thus haunted others bodies..;possesion...withg the same negative acts..endlessly repeating..[she had become..the tool/means of demons obsessing humans..via feeding of their negative thought]
Oh,..what horrors of despair..and remorse I have gone through!
My home shattered,..my husband brokenhearted,..and discouraged,
and my little ones..needing my care!
“They do not know..that I come to them..and try to comfort them,
and I have seen*nothing but gloom..and darkness until now.”
continues at link
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 7:44:38 AM
Philo:”Those that prefer to explain the universe by one single process - evolution - have not explained the power of evolution to create chemicals to form matter or the beginning of life. Evolution is an assumed process and not a creative dynamic.”
You’d have to explain creative dynamic to me and all those little things like if there was no universe where did any creators come from and where are they hiding now.
Evolution is hardly to be described as a single process, it is an amazing and dynamic and omnipresent part of the process that every moment creates something new.
Shame that includes the aids virus mutating but evolution just is, not bad or good.
Nup, I don’t know how the universe started up. But no one does do they – big bang still the one topping the charts? I don’t think those that believe in a single god usually have one that claims to have done more than create this one planet
Posted by The Pied Piper, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 8:24:31 AM
Philo,
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That’s because they don’t have to. Evolution explains the diversity of life. Not the origins of life, and certainly not the origins of the universe.
Those who study abiogenesis, one the other hand, are getting very close to explaining the beginnings of life, and already have some degree.
Even if we hadn’t though, that doesn’t mean we just make something up.
It’s like I said on the other thread in which we are all awaiting mjpb’s evidence for god with baited breath (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3814&page=0)...
Attempting to answer the big questions by appealing to the supernatural doesn’t accomplish anything because it’s an attempt to solve a mystery by appealing to another mystery (something Catholics are very fond of). That’s not an explanation, it’s a gap-filler. It doesn’t solve a mystery, it obscures it in an attempt to ease our discomfort with the unknown.
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Considering your first sentence demonstrated clearly that you haven’t a clue about what evolution is to begin with, I don’t think you’re in much of a position to make such a call.
Posted by AJ Philips, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 10:31:44 AM
just had to share this..[it sounds so much..*like our beloved jinny]
During our childhood..we should be taught
the real lesson of life..and made to..*understand life..in its true sense.
..the real understanding,..and teach the people that
there is no death,..teach them..of the beautiful conditions on the other side of life..which are waiting..for every one..entitled to them,..
after they understand..the higher life,
the world*..would be different.
I lived..in a life of make-believe,..and we tried..to amuse humanity.
I am sorry for the girls..who fall into a life of sport.
They think they have a good time,..yes,..for a while.
But there is always some little voice..conscience..that bothers you,
no matter..how you try to kill it...[with lifes..dangerous..'pleasures']
Oh,..if I could only teach..the young girls,
tell them of the folly..of such a life!
If I could only teach them..to look up to the higher life,
and show them the truth of that life!
We should teach people..to live for others,..not for self.
We should teach the girls..the principles of life,..not falsehood.
One thing..that is very detrimental..to the world is drink and morphine-like addictions..be it to lust or pleasure.
As conditions such as they are..[offering a seemingly escape]..from lifes burdens/expectations..that..are now..as they..are driving the girls and boys to misery.
People condemn without acting,
and what do they gain?
They drive the young..to the depths,..because when the law*.forbids things,..*they want them,..and in some way..or another they get them.
They enjoy*..them more*..because they are forbidden.
There is also something else.
You know,..whiskey..and the other alcoholic drinks have
a thousand,..yes,..a million thoughts/feelings/burdens...[price/cost]..that go with them.
The cranks..concentrate their minds..on drink,
and condemn it,..and when sensitives get it,..they become wild.
possesed..by those deadly spirits..that amused those dead..in body and soul..then*..those asddicted..They become crazy..with all the thoughts that are sent..to those...under the in-fluence..with it.
It drives them..down and down.
Man should live..and learn of God's wonderful manifestations.
God is the Life of All,..but man is..like as the devil.
I do not mean man alone..when I say man,..but I mean humanity.
God gave us a free will,..but we misuse it.
[jinny would say spirit]
People should be taught..the true teachings of Christ
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 10:38:20 AM
They say:..“Did not Christ make/wine?
[no he didnt..that parrable was about how people..NEED miracles
but mainly..the teaching of the handwash-jars...[without which..4000/5000..could not eat]
[thus did eat all..they wished...[ie they didnt wish to eat without the ritual[but his deciples didnt know..this...[ie re the shew bread]
And did He not give it to the people?”
NO..HE DID NOT..[rotted fruit juice..
is stil..rotten fruit juice]..give me new wine..[fruit-juice]
They do not understand that it was the Wine of Life.
Christ spoke about the spiritual.
The majority of people think he spoke of the material.
but he spake only of the way...to the father
Understand God right.[correctly]
Do not let us fear Him...He is not a man sitting on a throne,..but He is..the Spirit of All Life...Everything around us..is a part of this Divine Life.
Evil..has its place..just as the good has.
If we had no evil..we could not know/seek to do greater-good.
It is..*only from the experiences..we pass through..that we learn the lessons of life,..that we gain wisdom,..and I learn of the life everlasting..that lies before us ALL.
My salvation came in the spirit-world
when I found the truth,..because I had been*..through misery.
After I had gone through the fire of conscience,..I was purified.
I was anxious..to find the truth,..and after I found it*..there was no doubting.
I wanted..peace and harmony..and I was then ready for it.
You find gold..mainly..only..after it has gone through the fire of purification.
After my soul..had gone through the fire of conscience,
I found God..*within myself,..not on the outside.
Find God and be content within yourself.
Learn to understand..*yourself first..before you judge others,..then you will not judge.
Let us be friends to all,..do good*..to all,..and do good..whenever we can...Let us conquer self.
Whenever self rises within you..to torment you..and tries to make you give way to anger,..and you..give way to drinking..and all kinds of trouble,..say to yourself that you are not angry,..and that you will not give way..to things..that..bring us all...*down.
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 10:45:51 AM
aj...will check-out the link in time
but lets look at the question logicly
how can i simply prove i egsist
or that you egsist
the simplest way for either of us is to put up our link to our posts page...and let our past writings..[past words]...speak for us
if this dosnt satisfy...how else to know god
but by his works...[he is the unseen..cause..of everything]
if that sounds too big...lets reply piper
who..or what created god...[ok?]
lets begin this with..what god does..[everything]
but mainly sustains life/via logic...sustained by the light
[note science..HAS NEVER CREATED LIFE]
all science has confirmed..is life comes from life
so called evolution..is ONLY within its genus
[not one change*..of genus*..has ever been recorded..by science]
shep bred sheep...pigeons breed pigeons...bacteria breed bacteria[virus makes other virus]..there is NOT ever been observed any not like its parent...[no lion has ever bred a whale]..EVER
the so called fossil evidence..has HUGE GAPS
besides it only COMPARES..looks like..with looks like
NO LINK TO ITS HERITAGE..IS ABLE TO BE PROVEN
[dna simply speaking isnt there to prove their theory]
but look at the so called tre..of life..its full of gaps too
[even with todays dna testing..they havnt proved*..the THEORY]
its all a working hypothesis
the best athiestic god replacement[guess]...
not able to be proved by science..wishfull thinking
as i have repeatedly proven
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11008&page=0
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2305&page=0
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3124&page=0
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2411&page=0
more links at the links
but back to the light..him saying
let there be light...caused the big bang
[not sure if you noticed..but the light thing happens twice]
gen..1;3..making the heavens/hell.[gen..4-10...]eden[]
then the earth..in the firment of heaven..[universe..]
gen..13-19]...but..im drifting off-topic/here
thing is..*science claims..two bodies colided..[the membrane string-theory]...its likely..that satans-fall..came arround these times...
but anyhow..thats not...*this topic
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 11:17:06 AM
I can’t believe I’m about to do this.
OUG,
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Please don’t. The thread is quite tidy at the moment.
<
Logically? This’ll be fun.
<
the simplest way for either of us is to put up our link to our posts page...and let our past writings..[past words]...speak for us
if this dosnt satisfy...how else to know god
but by his works...[he is the unseen..cause..of everything]>>
So, because our writings prove that we (demonstrable beings that we know exist) exist, the universe proves that god (a not-yet-demonstrated, supernatural being that we don’t/can’t know exists) exists?
The difference between our writings and the universe is that there are laws of science that explain how matter and chemicals arrange themselves without the help of a god, whereas there are no laws of science that explain how letters arrange themselves to consistently make sense.
Well, most of the time anyway.
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Mere assertion.
What method do I have of determining that you haven’t just made this up?
<<[note science..HAS NEVER CREATED LIFE]>>
It’s getting pretty damn close to it and when it does, where’s that going to leave you? Theists will have to resort to claiming that it was god who put those chemicals there.
<
Spot on. What it hasn’t done though, is prove that it’s impossible for life to come from non-life.
<
Then prove it by pointing out the mechanism that makes it impossible to for a genus to evolve into another (to use your ambiguous terminology), and explain exactly where that barrier is. How many features can change - and by how much - before the barrier is hit, and why?
The only difference between microevolution and macroevolution is time.
<<[not one change*..of genus*..has ever been recorded..by science]>>
Rubbish. There are hundreds of known changes. Knock yourself out... http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part1a.html
Continued...
Posted by AJ Philips, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 1:08:57 PM
...Continued
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Absolutely! And over time, they change depending on their environment.
<<..there is NOT ever been observed any not like its parent...>>
Hole in one again. And evolution doesn’t claim otherwise.
<<[no lion has ever bred a whale]..EVER>>
And nor would it. Such an occurrence would disprove evolution.
<
Yes, and so does the collection of photos taken throughout your life. But there would still be enough to determine that it was you in those photos.
<
Yes, while applying our knowledge of different traits in different species that we observe consistently.
<<[dna simply speaking isnt there to prove their theory]>>
No, it’s not there to prove evolution. But it’s certainly good evidence of common decent.
<
Whoa! Look at the gaps! Look at the gaps!
That’s all you people can do, isn’t it. You have no idea of what gaps you’re even talking about.
Thanks for the links too, OUG, but I read them as they were happening and it’s the same old thing, over and over, with you making the same ridiculous claims you’ve just made now while others correct you.
But you just don’t get it, and you never will.
Posted by AJ Philips, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 1:09:02 PM
aj/qote..<
words dont assemble themselves
just as the bodies actions cannot...assemble themselves
thus we get dna...needs to be divided into rna..that then joins with other..bits and pieces..to make proteins..etc
that science can make dna...[lol...what you want a wow?
dosnt make the cell membrane...nor the 20 other steps..NEEDED,,to make a signle cell
yes you can fob off children..with automatic reflex..
but the actions of a signle cell...in one second..is more than a super-computer can follow..let alone achieve
and the best science can offer is it happend by chance
just like these*..words..just happend to assemble..*THEMSELVES...lol
<
laws..<
ok clever guy/spokesperson..explain how the first life was made
common..you claim science..reveal ANYONE..
who has made..*just one single cell
NO ONE HAS..ever..
in previous topics i have explained the odds have more zero-s...in it
than there are grains of sand in the universe..[some clever guy tried top rebut it by saying every second..halves the odds
YET THE FACT REMAINS
man has no idea,...HOW IT WAS DONE...nor can it do it even today..with or without the help of a god,
<<..there are no laws of science..that explain how letters arrange themselves..to consistently make sense.>>.rubbish..there are laws of grammer[so im told]..but even ignoring the LAWS of words..there still needs to be logic in your mind to make sense of them
and that logic comes from god..no god no logic
[no nothing]...
till we[YOU]..can demonstraight*/replicate...it..
its a theory*
everything..HAS A CAUSE
why would life..be the ONLY EXCEPTION?
[life/logic/sustained by the light...into love]
if you KNOW how god done it
explain it here/now
name the first life...name what it evolved into
prove it with science..dna...etc...then DO IT..!
you cant..because..someone LIED TO YOU
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 2:56:47 PM
aj/quote..<<<<[no lion has ever bred a whale]..EVER..And nor would it...Such an occurrence would disprove evolution...>>
lets quote from wikipedia
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its all delusion
here is some more
,< The pakicetids are hoofed-mammals that are sometimes classified as the earliest whales.[2][3] They lived in the early Eocene, around 53 million years ago. They looked rather like dogs with hoofed feet and long, thick tails. They have been linked to whales by their ears: the structure of the auditory bulla is formed from the ectotympanic bone only. The shape of the ear region in Pakicetus is highly unusual and only resembles the skulls of whales. The feature is diagnostic for cetaceans and is found in no other species. It was initially thought that the ears of Pakicetus were adapted for underwater hearing, but, as would be expected from the anatomy of the rest of this creature, the ears of Pakicetus are specialized for hearing on land,..and *if* Pakicetus is related to the ancestors of whales,..underwater hearing must have been a later adaptation.[4]
According to Thewissen, the teeth of Pakicetus also resemble the teeth of fossil whales, being less like a dog's incisors, with a serrated triangular shape, similar to a shark's tooth, which is another link to more modern whales.[5]
Reconstruction of Indohyus...Thewissen has since found the same ear structure in fossils of a small deer-like creature,>>
see how its all delusion?
your swallowing others delusions
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=whale+evolved+from&aq=f&aqi=g1g-m1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
bah im over arquing
PRESENT YOUR CASE
reply previous question
life began from.....!
then evolved into...!
my proof is....!
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 3:07:22 PM
here is where i documentated my search for the gaps last time
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=184&t=3225&start=60
there is still no rebuttal's
on this page i rebut ya ape theory
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=184&t=3225&start=70
and whale evolution...lol
thats coverd too
realise if you cant explain
someone lied to you
why...to remove god from the picture
so demons can rule over a godless hoard of athiests
if you lot want to dismiss god from the picture
then at least have proof..!
present it
[oh looked at ya link...
please reveal where it reveals there is no god]
go back to my link to ya tree of life
go look at the roots...they dont hook up into the tree
and most of the branches dont hook up to the tree..neither
the latest thinking from ya godheads..
is a forrest of life..not a tree..lol
realise you been conned
present proof
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 3:34:22 PM
I am not sure if I missed it, but I would be very interested to hear something (should you choose to share of course) about your O.B.E. (O.ut (of) B.ody E.xperience)) *Philo*
..
(My 1st post since back from "suspension." I can but say that I felt reasonabley sure that judgement would come upon me and that I would be found wanting at the time, HOWEVER, the temptation to do a *Monty Python* on *GrahamY* was simply too powerful to resist.
;-)
Posted by DreamOn, Thursday, 25 November 2010 1:24:40 PM
dream on ..out of body is subjective..[rather than objective]
our mind can imagine anything...
much of the stuff
i have been posting is..*from out of body...messengers
the key seems to be..in ability to verify..the info obtained
[if it cant be confirmed..its likely to be the same believability as a dream..[no pun intended]
anyhow lets hope someone can suggest some relevant info
but for now i filter beliervability with stuff that is good...[rather than giving credance to the negative]
if its good for all
and they dont want money or credit..or anything else..*from me
i give it some belief...if i have a lot of trust..then i quote it
sorry..but thats the best i can give
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 25 November 2010 1:43:19 PM
dreaming when you can remember is an out of body experience. it's all controlled by your own brain.
Posted by jinny, Thursday, 25 November 2010 5:57:00 PM
jinny quote..<
i havnt studied that aspect of it much
but i recall...those doing the astral traveling[out of body]...report seeing their spirit-cord...this has also bebn reported by vivid dreamers..
its..[an under appriciated skill];..where we change the course of a dream...simply by realisation we are dreaming...and making the changes we seek..[much like we need to do..once we are dead]
there is so much more too it...[i recall that in the gone-west link[i think]...there was a spirit...[the officer]..who took over the body..of a person...expermenting with out of body...[so lets recall to be carefull..for what we wish]
the key is ofcourse with not driving away..
our light spirit..[protecing guardian angel]..by the thinking of vile thoughts and vile works...and to keep in mind that simply thinking evil...attracts evil...and thats how evil...'gets-in'.
if only it was as simple..as jinny put it..<
but its far from true in saying..its..*all from*..our own head
to begin with..there is outside..in-fluence..[external..in-flux]..outside in-flow..both spiritually...as well as physicly...that isnt from..our minds
that yet is allowed reverberation..in our minds
but thats affect..not cause..the true cause was external
we need to be carefull..trying to simplify..things
nothing is assured..thus its best to play safe..and retain the love state..[love good...love neighbour]..
singing a love song..drives away demons...
singing a war chant..brings them near....
thinking of violence..allows them to bring the realisation into being..through us...into reality...then via reality into others
so as the good-book says
be carefull what we think[or wish]..for*
it just might be granted...and have a higher price..
than we thought..due..to be payed..one small vile thought now
maybe an eternity in hell later...[stick with love good/love neighbour]
Posted by one under god, Friday, 26 November 2010 2:43:29 AM
UOG:you are so funny...the way you like to analyse everything.
here is my thoughts on dreams: they come to us when there are things bothering us, whether good or bad(usually the bad ones are the ones you remember). I don't dream much anymore, but lately in my short time of sleep i have dreams again which i question.
i've had dreams which when i had them, i didn't understand, but later on they made a lot of sense. I reckon it's our instincts in our subconscious mind giving us signals that something is amiss. i should've paid more attention to mine.
nightmares are worse.. u lay in bed, n feel this dreadful feeling that someone/thing is trying to take ur sole away. the pain feels like someone/thing trying to pull ur heart out. and in that state of mine, sometimes u realize that it is a nightmare, and ur trying to wake up, but it takes a while, n i wake up in cold sweat. this is my past.. not present, i hv overcome my fears.
Posted by jinny, Friday, 26 November 2010 3:20:01 AM
i love the way you just barge through..jinny
it helps me think...so saying i quote/you
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out-of-body...means..LEAVING..this body...meaning..those..type of dreams..need to happen..outside us...not in us.
you then explain...ho..'they-come'..<
our thought...is energy..'fior them'..<
[some love fear..thus dont wake-up]..[either way...most dreams are soon forgotten..by the conscience-mind]..but not the subconscience mind..that replays them all..[mainly after this life passes
we all...'dream'..in fact science has found..if we dont dream..thats when we lose our grip,.on this lifes normality..and lifes nice-ities
clearly we can forget<>in the full nights sleep?
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thats why alcoholics..shouldnt take another drink..ever
they have hyper-sensativity..to outside possesion
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we manage..to trick ourselves..we are in..full control
but we dont got that..
till we *OWN..our sleep...fearlessly..TOO..
first think no evil
then think only love
then do only good..no booze..no pills..
treat the body like a temple..[of love..not lust]
Posted by one under god, Friday, 26 November 2010 7:10:49 AM
OUG:hey,i hv to deal with my own thoughts and try to come up with good enough arguments to tell my brain to stop being so stubborn aite?:P
they come to us from the spirits(which some chooses to deny). explain to me your theories on how the great pyramids were actually built(i can't believe i used to believe the books stating how they had slaves get those huge slabs of rocks up). i am drawn to orion's belt. just not enough time to do enough research. since i was a kid, it has been that constellation.
"out-of-body...means..LEAVING..this body": don't we leave it physically in dreams? in dreams we see and believe the visuals that comes into mind. ppl who gets possessed, what/how does that happen? i hv my theories. most of them can't remember if they're ever lucky enough to get out of it. the ones who do remember are to afraid usually to talk about it for fear of being told they're crazy. bottom line: it's all controlled by their own brains, what they hv been thought to believe.
"we all...'dream'..in fact science has found" i think in some cases, science has been proven to be wrong. after all, they're only thoughts of a group of people with a piece of paper and what they believe.
err, no drugs apart from alcohol(not even medication for a long time now apart from paracetamol once in a while for headaches/migranes) but even without it it's still the same. oh and tobacco. who came out with the news report on how alcohol is the worse drug in the world, is so wrong n thanks to that i had to get lectured.
irregular sleeping patterns since 15 n never dared touch a sleeping pill coz i already realized my addictive nature(as you can see in my need to respond here). function normal physically: scientifically, (i have stated this before) it has not been proven how much of sleep our brain actually needs, only recommended by.. ehemm 'scientists'.just gives me more time in a day to spend annoying and irritating and fixing stuff.
tbc
Posted by jinny, Friday, 26 November 2010 7:41:34 AM
choose not to talk to ppl about my insane theories coz i make them think to much and instead of having fun they start pondering about what i discussed.
hey, if you don't know how to enjoy the benefits of alcohol, i feel sorry for ya. responsible vs irresponsible.
my body is my temple, god lives within me, EVIL? it's usually mental disorders, and i've got happy news that one of 'em is suffering.. hahaha.. karma :P yippee.. maybe that's why i'm so happy today even with the stuff that's going on.
those who have no hope for the future, ur so depressing... uughh.. where's ur spirit? it obviously needs some uplifting, do something about it.
UOG: you keep go searching and analyzing stuff.. i enjoy reading them. beneficial specially all ur tips and tricks. i'm not happy with my electricity bill either but hey, everyone loves this place, ladida.
cross my arms, close my eyes, make a wish, blink! smile! hope my wish came true:)
Posted by jinny, Friday, 26 November 2010 7:46:38 AM
there is nothing wrong with being stubborn[jinny]
especially where your spirit/souls/body..children..is concerned
[the stones..re the pyramid..were rolled..[they tie rounded beans..to the square corners...and roll then..using levers..on ramps..and roads]
in tibet..they used levitation..[using them long horns..and drums..with the stone sitting in a parrabolic hole..they set-up an occilation..using 3 to 5 horns...with 4 to 6 drums..that throws the stones..up to where they were needed]
there are many forms of dreams..much is like remote vieuwing[this is achieved by the gravitational affect via our aura]..then there is the rare..out of body dream..but in both cases vivid dreaming allows one to retain control..[ok that plus our guardian spirit...and not thinking bad energy..[thought]
dont think your crazey..EVER..dont even think it..!
let alone write it's [possability..into word..or speak it..nor think it
things may..SEEM to be strange..
[allowed to appear stange]..but crazy..almost never..
possesion..is establishing a dialog..
then..continueing the idea..so that it becomes..
*more..than a mere thought..[dont visualise..or debait it
[just ignore/forget..it]..and if this dosnt work
do things that distract from thinking anymore upon it
go outside..work in the graden..or make a cake..use a recipie
mend some clothes..or play with the kids
the more we buy into the deciet/error..unreality
..the more..we MAKE*..it real..for us..
recall the saying...idle hands do the evil work's
[its the same with idle..minds creating idols..faulse gods]
its only controled...'by our brains'..if we* are using them*
not reacting to others trying to use[abuse]..our other bits
its OUR..life
your life
you chose who you serve
[ie the kids and you...MUST come first]
Posted by one under god, Friday, 26 November 2010 8:11:45 AM
jinny quote..<
i do drink..on occasion..but..avoid taking too-much
lest father..gain satifaction...in bringing me down..to his level
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to join closer to..my father
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so he can reap..his revenge..
[and that simply isnt going to be allowed..*by me..to happen]
you point out..the next question..by using my own quote
'my body is my temple,..god lives within me',..
then ask..[imply]..god is..<
jinny realise...*god..is like petrol..that runs your car
or like electicty..that makes your computer..*work
is pertol..or electicy,,,bad..[or evil]?
]
god cannot be used/abused..[understood].in human terms
god gives*..us ALL..our life...
then allows us to do withit..AS WE CHOSE
KNOWING IN THE END..we are eternal living spirits
and all EVENTUALLY..return..to love..
in the end..we all chose*..to love love/life...
see each one as our brother/sister...
[because hate..hurts us more..than those..we CHOSE to hate]
evil is only a fear state..<
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its only ourselves that can really bring..'us'..down
karma...dosnt apply to good
only to the negative
god wants all..to have happy..as normal..*
[only we can allow* our selves to be happy...
and reject the getting down..simply by chosing happy]
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[god=i am..
god calls himself..'me'..
turn this upsides down..we get..'we']
but..'we'..cant make them*..be happy
some love to be sad
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inside his..*spirit...in my spirit_body..in my soul>body..inside my astral^body..inside my material-flesh..inside my aural*form
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i like the sad..feeling..
it allows the..MY*..happy..to be much better
[we can ONLY..*know true good..
when..we reject..true vile]
we can only know both..by living..*in/on..this reality
in the next..its a choice..*then..its*chose one..or the other
we each..make choices
god has made it..so that..no one can*..chose wrong..for long
[god loves a repentant heart...working-off
their karmic_debt..by serving *others]
Posted by one under god, Friday, 26 November 2010 8:44:27 AM
UOG: "the stones..re the pyramid..were rolled" and you know this because of what information from where? there are already professionals who disagree with that nonsense.
i'm not crazy, i know that very well now, just fun, nice n caring.(there are still ijits who dare call me crazy, but i politely tell them to stop that or i will cease all communications)
nothing seems strange to me apart from human behavior and why they just don't get it.
sigh, yea, sure with i could go back to doing all those boring stuff, nah.. i've got a lot of better ways to spend my time.(besides, wasn't i the one asking you to do all that? you're using me own theories on me:P)
can u please stop about the kids already. They are the happiest they've ever been(altho i would appreciate some space and not every 20 seconds of mommy this mommy that). Unfortunately, this government doesn't care about the well-being of them, so thanks to this forum, i have given up my fight(i tried pretty hard and mom said everything is ready for us to go bk into hiding there). no worries, been there done that.
she has a pure spirit as well, her love for me is so much that it hurts me to see her in pain, and i tell her not to worry, but she is a mother, it's only normal.
tbc
Posted by jinny, Friday, 26 November 2010 10:36:17 AM
the kids will be happy as long as i am happy. wherever in the word we are. They want to stay here, and i don't want to uproot them once again, but i've tried all the dept, emails, face to face, no go. Yesterday was UN here, no can do, so i really don't see the point. The kids can adapt, I can deal with anything thrown my way, only lost is financial and dignity. mom said last night i've never failed at anything i wanted to achieve, but she knows how hard i've been working on this. and.. it ain't over till the fat Lady sings.
btw, just for those of you who are following this. I know who posted that comment that got completely removed. It is not him, it is her. she is in the same city.. mental.:P
UOG: too bad bout ur dad. mine's an alcoholic but can't admit it.. hahaha, i grew up watching how he changed whenever he had one to many. we forgive because we know better, that they were not themselves when they did those things they did. true?
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we all hv our personal reasons to be sad. but i rather be happy whenever i can help it.
karma.. do your research on that first, coz i've see it too clearly in my adult life. early this morning, i had to pay for a mistake, 30mins of physical labour, well my fault. thus karma.
tbc
Posted by jinny, Friday, 26 November 2010 10:51:27 AM
if we lose our spirit, we loose all. if we know how to use or brain, then all yous wouldn't be trying to change the things you can't. etc: problems of the world, because the ones with the power and control are doing that.
no point wasting your day stressing. i've got such a great weekend coming, and a family friend now with me(she didn't hv anywhere to stay coz her friends bailed on her), so the kids are even happier. Sunday my best friend(50+ Aussie) is purposely coming to visit for a day, so hooray! my spirits are great.
just before, i saw this bunch of ppl, they were humorous. dressed in tights and covered fully(even their faces) with aussie flag design. I asked the if i could take a picture(for my other site) and they willing participated. Burst out laughing when one of them went: Do you want us to smile(can't see their faces dues to the costume)? another one went: i think i blinked! lol... the joy in life. I hope all of you can find the spirit too! Cheers!
Posted by jinny, Friday, 26 November 2010 10:57:46 AM
i think you will find it..if you google rock-rowing
[a guy did experments..moving big-rocks..
he found that putting 20 levers..under a huge rock..allowed the rock to be pivited..in a forward motion..[by a team..of..'rowers']..huge distances..[miles per-day]..this is how stone-henge was built
the pyramids...was via research..they had found this solid planks[with one curved side]..these planks..were attatched with ropes..then wetted..to tighten them up...
thus the square rock...was able to be roled..[then rowed..with levers..into place]...i dont care if im believed or not..thats how it was done...the tibetan thing..was one line in a huge book..witnessed by an early explorer...im not about to try to prove anything to anyone
you asked..i answered..thats all im obligated to do
i dont think your crazy..
and know im not either
and again..im not about to argue
with those presuming..their own delusions
the world is full of ignorants..filled with ignorance
they might like it that way...its not my duty to fix them
i dont have any theories on or about you
i like your questioning me...
but my replying may be only ego
who knows...
all i know is..
i asked all my questions...
and got answers..now..im just giving back...
that i learned..to those..*seeking to know..
i see me..*in them..stop complaining about mummy tghis mummy that
i miss my kids asking daddy this...daddy that..[now everyone is my kid]
your correct..that kids can survive anything..as long as mummy loves them..but there..comes the time...they shall need more..thats when stabilty...and security..helps...kids need roots...but most of all peers...[i dont have peers..thus know...how important..they could be]
Posted by one under god, Friday, 26 November 2010 1:20:20 PM
UOG: we are all entitled to our own believes, and i respect yours. i am sorry to hear about your story. i am very lucky in that way. the kids have everything(i've spoilt them). only not family. but i speak to them all the time about if they are happy here, and the have settled in school and are both popular and outstanding in their performances, if they want to go back instead, coz i know i am letting them miss out on the bondage of family, which is very important to me. and they are. i see their joy and i don't mind the struggle. as long as they are happy, healthy and safe. here they fit in normal, there they do not specially after what has happened.
now back to karma.. don't know if you saw what happened here, but i would say another perfect example of karma.. which is, when we do something wrong, in whatever way, it will always get back at us. i can give so many examples i have seen, but to space for that.
everyone wants a change, we question things because we don't understand, we're confused. some are lost, so lost that they get into so much trouble. just today, i see one walking and crying, and a few others who are just lost... lost spirits, they have forgotten their roots...
Posted by jinny, Friday, 26 November 2010 4:02:14 PM
i saw what occured..it pains me
but i dont want to talk about it
im not here..*to judge right...nor wrong
karma is what it is..
people cant change their nature
[thats why the absurdity..of jesus dying..for us to sin]
our heart's want what the heart wants...[usually answers]
but there isnt an answer..for everything
those with evil in their hearts..know how to bring out evil..even in the best people..how goeth the saying..'pride goeth..before the fall'
then there is the trueism...of letting sleeping dogs lie
and this i must*do..in the respect of those who are no longer with-us
talking can change nothing...if it could sooth savaged pride
the world might be a better place..but only sincere repentance holds true value...were none as brave as we could be..
not everyone wants change..but sometimes change is thrust upon us
yes..we question things..*because we don't understand,
and because we feel the need to comprehend things..that seemingly sem harsh..yes we can get to the stage...where..
most of us..<
but we cry so loud..we cant hear his voice saying..
i love you..
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not their roots...only lost sight..of what is most important
the result...[the finished painting...the completed work]..that which we all in time are destined to become]..
that day we can be in complete atonement..
[at-one-meant]..to the only..*one...who alone is at one with us all
anyhow
i go
to mourn
a dear friend
Posted by one under god, Friday, 26 November 2010 5:07:38 PM
"people cant change their nature" people can change.. i've had this discussion forever. i have changed, and if i can change, so can everyone else. the more we know and realize, the more we can change, whether or not we allow ourselves to change is the issue.
why are some humans so good, and some so bad, not because they were born that way, it's because of misguidance and not being able to understand how life works.
about Jesus' sacrifices, i have only read about it, no actual proof. religion is fairly new to our 4+ billion yr old planet.
the ones that are no longer with us hv left us with their memories, thus their spirit will remain alive in us, just not their physical being.
everything for a reason, there is always an answer. if i reflect on my past, i can come up with answer to why what happened, to make me be a better person in life.
the word 'god' has existed for how long? how did humanity survive before that, must've been a miracle aiy?(am currently having discussions on this elsewhere but not as active as here)
we are never alone, only alone if you choose to go down that path.
OUG: what happened to Utopia? don't go get all depressing too...
Posted by jinny, Friday, 26 November 2010 6:24:15 PM
im not depressed jinny
i dont allow myself..to get too close to people
its just the piper has spunk..they?..threw all the had..at her...
and she still wasnt afraid..to ask questions...even off those who..like god created..this realm..where we commune with each other...our most private thoughts..and confidences
we forget..that without others..
its only us..puffing into the wind
pumping out words into the aether..to what reason?
so those who despise us and our mates..can play their games
write cleverly phased complaint..get rid of those who dare ask questions...
ok..we have learned..not to question
learned to obey..the whims of those..who see their duty...to complain
but are these..that complain...doing any better..than those they manage to remove..from these pages...remove from our lives..
i dont question..anyones*..right
to do as they feel needs doing...
its just i dont see reason to do..
with the sword of damaclease..hanging..over my words
or thinking..wether i use the wrong word...
or frighten..their next complainent..into writing their complaint
to what end..to try to help others
when those clearly..*caring too much..are the first to go
by the hand of those..who may*not care less...or worse have some adgenda
i have the words sock-puppet in my mind
but what is a sock...or who is a puppet
i read the post's..preceeding..and see that some*..might call a flame..[simply by mentioning others..who too..have gone...by name]..clearly..by reading between the lines...piper asked for more info
and maybe..[for all i can do is guess]...the person who's mission..might* be to complain...who might* have removed any or all..[for all i know]...put their fears..hopes...into action..and pushed the red-cross
im not thinking properly..
so no doudt im not speaking clearly..
but..what shall it cost..those lost..still remain lost
how can i do my work
when the choice..of further work...dosnt lie with me..
but the..one?..with an adgenda...and the means to complain..even get writing deleted...
by a deed..how often repeated?
350 words deleted..they cant all have been off topic..or flame..
or..whatever others did find..about which..to complain..
i need to feel sad
only then can i think
whats the underlying reason
who sought to break that final link
Posted by one under god, Friday, 26 November 2010 8:34:20 PM
ok the events...have admitted negative spirits
their result=Psychic Invalidism
Spirits..who are ignorant of having lost..their physical-bodies..often hold firmly in mind..*the thought*..of..their former physical condition..and..continue to suffer pain...
thus become attatched..to those in the same conditioning..
This..“error of the mortal mind”..[often results in sickness..or other phyco-somatic..symptom...see..18*..[see under]..
these symptoms..often persist..until
an understanding of transition..and spiritual laws is reached,
when freedom*..from..the ideas*..of physical limitations..is attained.
When spirits..who are under this delusion of suffering..and disease
come into the sym-pathetic/auras*..of mortals..of like ignorance...of their physical..versis..their spiritual condition...the SYMPTOM..not their own symptom..!..
is conveyed to these sensitives,..[they are haunted..possesed..by demons..and chronic lassitude,..pseudo-illness....[phyco-somastic..{unconcious}..pain..and psychic invalidism result.
These sensitives..endure all the pain..of the haunting-spirits’ former physical condition,..and ordinary methods of treatment..fail to cure,..or relieve pain..or defect..for the only permanent relief is found through...the dislodgement..exorcism]..of the ignorant entities..haunting the living
18*..see Mrs.baker-Eddy's.."Mortal Mind" teaching,
see Chap.14,..Page 281...
so off i go to find the book
to quote from it..[for this is my work]..
but having a hard-time tracking it down...yet good info on the way
http://www.fullbooks.com/Rudimental-Divine-Science.html
http://christianscience.rolf-witzsche.com/
http://alternate-healing-science-christian.ca/gala/index.html
basic concepts...we are a (Spiritual reflection)..of the one cause
Where..the spirit of God is,..and there is no place where God is
not,..evil becomes nothing,..the opposite of..the something of
Spirit.
If there is no spiritual reflection,..then there remains
only the darkness of vacuity..and not a trace of heavenly tints.
(S&H 408:2)
(Spiritual existence..the one fact)
For right reasoning..there should be but one fact..before*..the
thought,..*namely,..gods good..living loving..but fully[wholly]..spiritual existence.
In reality..there is no other existence,*..since Life in mortality[and sickness...and error]..^*..cannot*be united..to its..unlikeness,..immortality...eternal_good..eternal_love..eternal_health....ie god
Man is tributary..[means..poor reflection..of the good..
that leads to God,..Spirit,..and to nothing else...but everything..god sustains into being
God's..being is infinity,..freedom,..harmony,..and boundless bliss...health..plenty..grace mercy..love..
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is,..there is liberty."
Like the..patri-arch..priests of yore,..man is free
"to enter into the holiest," -the realm of Good...into the very presents[presence]..of good..himself..
the..very Material sense..never helps mortals
to understand the eternally..good/love/grace...mercy...
of his*Spirit..[god's]..(S&H 481:2)
As used in Christian Science,..Soul is properly the synonym of Spirit,..or God;..good
but..out/of Science,..soul is identical..with senses,..
and united with material sensation...emotion...fear..or fear-lessness personified..dependant..upon how we refect..the only perfect[good]..god..(S&H 482)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 27 November 2010 8:03:11 AM
Mrs Mary Baker Eddy is neither a Christian nor a Scientist. She is a spiritualist which her beliefs in many compensation cases in courts of law has been repeatedly discredited as fraudulent .
Posted by Philo, Saturday, 27 November 2010 9:46:18 AM
At the core of Christian Science..is the teaching that God..and God's creation..are entirely*..good..and spiritual,..and that God has made all things..*in his likeness.
Christian Scientists hold..that the reality of being
and..of all that God makes*..is spiritual,..not material.
They see this spiritual reality..as the only reality..
and all else as illusion..or "error."..[its we*..who give evil/sickness/hate..its reality]
Christian Science acknowledges..that all people..seem to be experiencing..a material existence,..but holds..that this experience ultimately*..yields..to a true spiritual understanding of God..and HIS*..creation.
They believe that this..is how healing..through prayer is possible.
Prayer,..from the Christian Science perspective,..does not ask God to intervene*..but is rather a process..of learning*..more of God's spiritual reality..–"awakening impermanent-mortal thought,to the eternal..of spirit"..by degrees,..bringing all..into spiritual truth.
Christian Scientists show..the effect of..this spiritualization of thought..in healing*..physical,emotional,and otherwise.
Health care..of those..for whom Christian Science is the preferred mode of treatment..is typically not attempted through drugs,..surgery,..or other conventional methods..
but through Christian Science treatment,..a specific form of prayer..intended to spiritualize thought...[but knowing..so much is faith dependant...and..we have so little faith..*by design..of those who reject god as the reality]..via deciets..such as evolution..or faith in medisin..[the material...not its sustaing good cause[love]..god]..
According to Christian Scientists,..medicine*..asserts that something is physically broken..and needs to be fixed,.
while Christian Science asserts..that..the spiritual reality is harmonious..and perfect..and that any belief..to the contrary..needs to be corrected...
as it is this very error..held by ignorant spirits
causing the sickness..into being..
but even our minds are dull..to the reality of good[god]
yet..even my firm belief..
cannot make my computer..go online
let alone..go the next step..in my re-search
http://www.marybakereddylibrary.org/mary-baker-eddy/writings/science-and-health
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 27 November 2010 10:50:13 AM
phillo...i dont trust law courts..they are a joke
take the so called trial of evolution/creationism
this trial was about wether religion could be taught as science
naturally they arnt the same
yet we have these decievers of men
telling people the court case judged against religeon/god
and found for evolution...[but evolution wasnt on trial]
teaching religeon..as science was
winning the case only confirms...
science and religeon..deserve their own teachers
in different class rooms
but such is the nature of evil
on constant attack...on the things they really fear
your revealing there have been many attacks on maries works
only confirms..they are frightend...of something
notice the link to athiest's...at the bottum of the wikisheet
how much more obvious...they have been doing their thing,..there too
not just in the courts
if believe=faith...the smallest doudt..negates the faith neded to makle healing work
those vile evil demons do their division well
in time we will mature...in our common beliefs..in the one good/god
and swedenberg..luther..eddie baker..mahamoud..budda...etc
etc will be recognised as the saints..of faith and humanity..they are
Question...What is God?
Answer.--God is incorporeal,..divine,..supreme,..infinite
Mind,logic..Spirit,body/Soul, devine-Principle,..
Life-sustainer,..Truth,..light,..Love/life...
the well-being..[healing]..saving us from sickness
the one..unity..bringing us from..dissunity
the logic..relieving..us..of ill-logic
the good..saving us from our-own bad
the peace..repairing the pieces
the one...sustaining the many
conme on..we know..evil will studiously try to divide
and cant even comprehend..why..it fights lov
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 27 November 2010 11:51:49 AM
UOG,
It is on the basis of this statement that CS cannot stand for payments of compensation for physical injury, payments for loss of pay for physical work. All these things are an illusion.
"Christian Scientists hold..that the reality of being and..of all that God makes*..is spiritual,..not material. They see this spiritual reality..as the only reality..and all else as illusion..or "error."..[its we*..who give evil/sickness/hate..its reality]
Posted by Philo, Saturday, 27 November 2010 2:31:08 PM
i thought i would check on these court cases phillo
turns out..its about the copyright..of maries..science/health text
hardly worthy of notice
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/23/us/christian-science-text-s-copyright-is-ruled-illegal-by-appeals-court.html
The dissident group..filed suit in 1983 after it was forced by the First Church of Christ,..Scientist..to remove copyrighted material
The court said,..''It is not the function of government..to promote religious worship,..to enable a religious entity*..to control statements of church doctrine,..or to guide a..'confused' public to..'correct' religious authority.''
Together with the Bible,.''Health and Science''
is regarded as..*the church's pastor...
thus open freely...even to Lay readers
to conduct theie church services.
http://www.planetfreebook.com/Classic_collection/classic_books_author_ABC_PDF_edited_filenames/Baker%20Eddy.Mary!Science%20and%20Health%20With%20Keys%20to%20the%20Scriptures.pdf
Spiritual awakening
extracted..from..95-28
Lulled by stupefying illusions,..the world is asleep
..in the cradle of infancy,..dreaming away the hours.
Material sense..does not unfold..the facts of existence;
but spiritual sense..lifts human-consciousness..into eternal Truth.
Humanity advances..slowly out of
the sinning sense..into..*spiritual understanding;
unwillingness...*to learn all things rightly,...
[ie doing..as we saw jesus do]..binds Christen-dom..with chains.
in..The darkest hours of all..Love will finally mark
the hour of harmony,..and spiritualization..*will follow,
for Love*is Spirit...
This material world..is even now becoming
the arena for conflicting forces.
On one side there will be discord..and dismay;
on the other side there will be..Science and peace.
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